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Post by cma »

bushbaba wrote: post #33
htrp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…

Google can’t compete with Microsoft without having a huge revenue hit. The large majority of Google’s revenue comes from search ads. Chat gpt doesn’t have search results, per se. So how do you keep the high ad revenue linking to other sites? I’m not sure they can compete within their existing brand/company structure.

You ask it a fashion question, "what goes with this?" and it responds with the answer and mentions a company where you can order something like it (sponsored).

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Post by vultour »

bushbaba wrote: post #33
htrp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…

Google can’t compete with Microsoft without having a huge revenue hit. The large majority of Google’s revenue comes from search ads. Chat gpt doesn’t have search results, per se. So how do you keep the high ad revenue linking to other sites? I’m not sure they can compete within their existing brand/company structure.

They could add a little box on the right side of the search results with a Chat-GPT generated answer, they already do this to show the "knowledge panel" or whatever the official name is.

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

Nadella was asked about this. He basically said that they have a responsibility to drive users to sites with click through or else sites won't have an incentive to be crawled.

How that pans out in practice remains to be seen.

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

jimbob45 wrote: post #32
afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages Are you saying Google pays them per scrape or they get paid only when users click through?

Google does not pay site owners and I thought the big complaint was that users rarely if ever click through. The instant answers keep users and their potential page impressions in Google-land.

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Post by bentcorner »

shubb wrote: post #14
HaZeust wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m heavily considering it myself. I know folks that are so subservient to Google that, despite Google’s objective deterioration in results as of recent, believe that something not shown on Google must mean it’s no longer accessible. Millions of people believe in the Dead Internet theory because of it, when all they need to do is try a new search engine. I look forward to seeing if Bing’s ChatGPT integration will be…

Suit at work today showed us a spreadsheet of business things he'd been working on. "See how each row has a description column so Pele who aren't familiar can understand it? I used chat gpt for those, saved me like 3 days". As devs, communicating specific ideas tersly to computers, I feel like we can miss how much this benefits other people. This feels like an excel moment for people who need to produce copy about wi…

I agree, I've personally used ChatGPT as a "fill in the blanks" kind of tool for non-technical prose. I provide the skeleton and structure, ChatGPT paints in the lines. It's also extremely easy to proofread and verify it's not spouting nonsense.

Would a talented writer do better? Absolutely. But I'm using it for fun and it does a much better job than I can.

Re: Google's live from Paris event private/deleted immediately

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Post by hugoromano »

nunodonato wrote: post #3

I was watching... meh all the time and then suddenly it goes blank and disappears. Like, wtf Google. After yesterday's Microsoft presentation, this was such an underwhelming event. And it gets real tiring on how much Google tries to create an idea on how advanced their AI is.. (and it might be) but the fact is, nobody can access it or try it. So until we actually are able to put our hands on something, I'm calling va…

The moment was just weird; "goes blank and disappears", for a moment, I thought it was my connection.

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Post by safog »

afavour wrote: post #13

ChatGPT as a search engine sounds amazing but also really quite problematic. It's an extension of the issue with Google's "instant answers" (or whatever they're called): right now the creators of the content Google/ChatGPT scrapes are usually paid via the advertisements on their pages. When no-one clicks though any more, no-one gets paid. I know, I know, the ad banner-funded web is a mess and I wouldn't mourn its dem…

In general, generative models are taking publicly available content from creators and are monetizing them for big tech.

Same with stable diffusion, AI art. And it'll be the same with LLMs.

Eventually the whole internet would be flooded with cheap AI generated content and clearly AIs need human generated content to train on so it'll be the snake eats itself.

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Post by ramraj07 »

bushbaba wrote: post #33
htrp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2 years later the Bold was released and everyone realized it's just a hastily designed iPhone clone. That marks the end of BB's dominance. I feel like Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. You can talk all you want about the foundational models and how advanced they are, but the search product itself will require a ton of…

Google can’t compete with Microsoft without having a huge revenue hit. The large majority of Google’s revenue comes from search ads. Chat gpt doesn’t have search results, per se. So how do you keep the high ad revenue linking to other sites? I’m not sure they can compete within their existing brand/company structure.

If you search for a personal injury lawyer (which IIRC a single click on an ad would fetch google a thousand bucks), a chatGPTesque answer could be more convincing in leading you to a paid resource than a list of options with an ad. Imagine an AI half as smart as chatGPT who’s primary goal is to not just give you the answer but also convince you in a legally acceptable way to click a sponsored result.
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