without having read the article, I for one am happy that something is holding browsers back. One can only imagine what they would do if they had even less constraints. Everything these totally garbage softwares do is abominable to the core
Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was with up up until your statement: > Basically, if you want to have choice in a browser, don't use Apple products or a Microsoft OS . I get the "Apple products" bit - Apple famously refuses to allow you to install your own browser engine under the hood on iOS . But Microsoft? Can you qualify that with some concrete examples?
Just one example is forcing you to open links in edge regardless of your "default" browser: https://betanews.com/2021/05/07/force-web-links-open-in-defa...
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s only iOS/iPadOS that Apple does this with. And iOS makes up 18% of web traffic. That’s a lot, but it means 82% can use the browser they want at any time. Chrome makes up 80-odd percent of all other traffic, so the stats overall look like: Chrome: 65.6% iOS Safari: 18% All others: 16.4% Personally, I’m more concerned about Chrome than iOS.
>All others: 16.4% This whole essay is really just Mozilla complaining that they aren't on anyone's radar anymore and should be disregarded as bullcrap. Firefox once upon a time defeated IE6 despite home turf advantage, to say nothing of Chrome which played that game even better. If Mozilla wants more market share, maybe they should make software people actually fucking want.
How many people choose a browser, compared to those that use whatever the OS defaults to/pushes on them?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was with up up until your statement: > Basically, if you want to have choice in a browser, don't use Apple products or a Microsoft OS . I get the "Apple products" bit - Apple famously refuses to allow you to install your own browser engine under the hood on iOS . But Microsoft? Can you qualify that with some concrete examples?
Just one example is forcing you to open links in edge regardless of your "default" browser: https://betanews.com/2021/05/07/force-web-links-open-in-defa...
As I see this is not about opening normal links
This is about opening link targeted to edge
"Copy the following test link:
microsoft-edge:https://www.betanews.com"
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#45Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
>All others: 16.4% This whole essay is really just Mozilla complaining that they aren't on anyone's radar anymore and should be disregarded as bullcrap. Firefox once upon a time defeated IE6 despite home turf advantage, to say nothing of Chrome which played that game even better. If Mozilla wants more market share, maybe they should make software people actually fucking want.
How many people choose a browser, compared to those that use whatever the OS defaults to/pushes on them?
Microsoft Edge's main purpose is to download Chrome.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you mind supplying a source supporting that they’re drowning in money? Developing a browser on the functionality of chrome (especially in terms of security) is crazy imo, especially with a different engine. Sincere question btw, as far as I know they’re “non-profit” but they get a good bit of hate. I love the browser due to the customization/flags it offers while being up to date in terms of security. I haven’t…
>Sincere question btw, as far as I know they’re “non-profit” but they get a good bit of hate They sort of aren't a nonprofit anymore. Too much of their money came from the search deal as opposed to donations so they had to spin off the Mozilla Corporation which is completely owned by the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation. The foundation is what does research like this, and they're funded by donations and a certain percent…
You must agree this is completely unjustifiable:
> In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008. On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%.
> In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250 employees due to shrinking revenues. Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
>All others: 16.4% This whole essay is really just Mozilla complaining that they aren't on anyone's radar anymore and should be disregarded as bullcrap. Firefox once upon a time defeated IE6 despite home turf advantage, to say nothing of Chrome which played that game even better. If Mozilla wants more market share, maybe they should make software people actually fucking want.
How many people choose a browser, compared to those that use whatever the OS defaults to/pushes on them?
The millions if not billions of Windows users who choose to use Chrome?
Also, using the OS default is also a choice. If someone uses Edge in Windows, that's a choice.
It's only iOS where users have no choice.
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#49The iron of this Browser-supremacy ideology, delivered as a .PDF file... I'd wager PDF Viewers are more important than browsers. :P
They are!
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#50Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans. Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser. Basically, if you want to have choice…
“offender” suggests undue negativity.
For me, the biggest selling point of iOS is it’s lock in - be it in browsers or the store.
My phone is the centre of my privacy, and I want it to be as solid and as safe as possible.
So far nobody developed a mobile system that is more open and just as safe and robust.