Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
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Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#2Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans.
Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser.
Basically, if you want to have choice in a browser, don't use Apple products or a Microsoft OS. And even the Microsoft OS isn't that bad these days. Apple is now the worst offender in forcing you to use your computing the device only the way they want you to.
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#3Dear Mozilla, you're practically drowning in money, so do something with it. Like, have Firefox on Android support creating home screen borderless widgets with any webpage.
Oh, but Google isn't going to like it. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, I get it.
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#4Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans. Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser. Basically, if you want to have choice…
I was with up up until your statement:
> Basically, if you want to have choice in a browser, don't use Apple products or a Microsoft OS.
I get the "Apple products" bit - Apple famously refuses to allow you to install your own browser engine under the hood on iOS. But Microsoft? Can you qualify that with some concrete examples?
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#5Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans. Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser. Basically, if you want to have choice…
For browsers specifically, one can select their own browser on iOS and MacOS as well.
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#6I do a lot of systems engineering-level work on Linux and was surprised to see this title. The paper talks about how corporations behind commercial operating systems exploit their position and suppress user choice and use other shady tactics.
The title of this paper is a bit inaccurate it should at least say "... commercial operating systems".
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#7Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans. Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser. Basically, if you want to have choice…
For browsers specifically, one can select their own browser on iOS and MacOS as well.
On iOS it’s just the chrome, not the full browser.
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#8Dear Mozilla, you're practically drowning in money, so do something with it. Like, have Firefox on Android support creating home screen borderless widgets with any webpage. Oh, but Google isn't going to like it. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, I get it.
Would you mind supplying a source supporting that they’re drowning in money? Developing a browser on the functionality of chrome (especially in terms of security) is crazy imo, especially with a different engine. Sincere question btw, as far as I know they’re “non-profit” but they get a good bit of hate. I love the browser due to the customization/flags it offers while being up to date in terms of security. I haven’t put any effort into looking into them beyond that so I promise it’s not a loaded question, I’d be upset to hear they’re squandering their funds.
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#9I do a lot of systems engineering-level work on Linux and was surprised to see this title. The paper talks about how corporations behind commercial operating systems exploit their position and suppress user choice and use other shady tactics. The title of this paper is a bit inaccurate it should at least say "... commercial operating systems".
And how would you define "commercial operating system"? Is Android one or is it "Linux"?
Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)
#10Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans. Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser. Basically, if you want to have choice…
I was with up up until your statement: > Basically, if you want to have choice in a browser, don't use Apple products or a Microsoft OS . I get the "Apple products" bit - Apple famously refuses to allow you to install your own browser engine under the hood on iOS . But Microsoft? Can you qualify that with some concrete examples?
Just one example is forcing you to open links in edge regardless of your "default" browser: https://betanews.com/2021/05/07/force-web-links-open-in-defa...