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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by zone411 »

flakeoil wrote: post #866
zone411 wrote: post #768

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Look at my profile, I own content-heavy sites and have for many years. I can show you logs - Wikipedia does virtually nothing. And the content of my sites has been regurgitated by Wikipedia thousands of times.

It maybe doesn't drive much traffic directly from Wikipedia, but you might have a higher SEO rank when people search in google for whatever your sites are about. Thanks to the links from Wikipedia.

If you view the source of any Wikipedia page, they purposefully include "nofollow" tags, so Google ignores these links!

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by mclightning »

addandsubtract wrote: post #919
jerrygoyal wrote: post #913

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> Where does Google gets its information now? The feeder pipeline has died. The bar has raised now. People will ask the questions on SO whose answers they couldn't find from anywhere else including AI.

Correction: the AI will ask the questions it couldn't find a high enough confidence answer to. We are all now working for the AI to find niche scraps of knowledge that haven't been indexed.

30 years old, engineer here. I am starting to get really scared. I don't mean that for my job security.

We are just starting to observe societal effects of social media. We haven't reached the era where we, as an entire species, recognise and regulate it impacts legally & properly.

I am starting to feel like we are losing it against the machine as a species. I don't fear being replaced, but I feel the culture getting mangled in a way we won't be able to recover some things, because it will be too late.

It is not a ring-wing, left-wing political thing. But some sort of innovator's dilemma. We are like cornering ourselves into an innovator's dilemma as a species.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by RyEgswuCsn »

addandsubtract wrote: post #919
jerrygoyal wrote: post #913

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> Where does Google gets its information now? The feeder pipeline has died. The bar has raised now. People will ask the questions on SO whose answers they couldn't find from anywhere else including AI.

Correction: the AI will ask the questions it couldn't find a high enough confidence answer to. We are all now working for the AI to find niche scraps of knowledge that haven't been indexed.

I had similar thoughts.

The next evolution towards general AIs would be the implementation of curiosity.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by richardw »

sangnoir wrote: post #631
richardw wrote: post #350

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OpenAI has had huge mindshare with students recently. Every (ish) kid who writes an essay or needs information summarised is hitting ChatGPT. Kids are where change happens, ask Facebook. They get on new things instantly - within days we were reading reports of kids writing essays with the latest tool. Young people are also naturally viral, sharing the cool new tool with entire classes. This is a marketer’s dream. You…

> OpenAI has had huge mindshare with students recently. Clubhouse was once the new hotness - until it wasn't.

There's no comparison. Microsoft didn't consider integrating Clubhouse into one of their primary consumer platforms. One of the biggest software companies in the world has looked at the state of play and decided that this was important enough to shift their search strategy as quickly as they can.

I didn't say it's a guarantee of success, it's a possibility. There is a non-zero chance that ChatGPT takes market share away from Google unless it moves very quickly.

Having said that, the status-quo play is obviously the easiest bet. It's far easier to be Google than OpenAI or Microsoft at this point.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-adds-chatgpt-ai-techn...

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by jononor »

simiones wrote: post #946
UncleMeat wrote: post #928

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But why would SO (or an equivalent) be dead. I know very little about ML so it is entirely possible that I'm way way way off here but it seems like a product with this sort of tool integrated would be capable of determining when a query produced a not-very-useful result and could even aggregate such queries. We'd have a very powerful training system where the AI can communicate back "hey I need training on this sort…

If Google launches this tool, Google will make money off the answers this tool provides. The fact that this tool is trained on the content from SO will not mean SO gets any money. Also, if users just get the answers from Google Bard, they will not visit SO, and will not contribute to SO's community or revenue. So, the SO community will eventually die if Google Bard is good enough. The whole premise of the economics o…

Stack Of never paid anyone though, so it seems possible for Google to launch a service where people answer questions to feed the AI and give back similar tokens as SO.

I mean, they could make a game, where people have to try to beat the AI (and other humans) in making the best answers to questions.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by jononor »

brookst wrote: post #798
somenameforme wrote: post #779

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GLM-130B[1] is something comparable to GPT-3. It's a 130billion parameter model vs GPT-3's 175 billion, and it can comfortably run on current-gen high end consumer level hardware. A system with 4 RTX 3090s ( The proverbial 'some guy on Twitter'[2] got it setup, and broke down the costs, demonstrated some prompts, and what not. The output's pretty terrible, but it's unclear to me whether that's inherent or a result of…

Agree, but much less than 10 years. Now that the transformer is establishing itself as the model, we’ll see dedicated HW acceleration for transformers, encoders, decoders, etc. I will eat my hat* if we don’t see local inference for 200B+ parameters within 5 years. * I don’t own a hat

Not sure about 200B+ models on phone hardware in 10 years. But I think we'll be able to deliver the same predictive performance with models 1/10 the size and those will fit. That is what happened with CNN vision models over the last 8 years.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by meken »

CabSauce wrote: post #30
alexb_ wrote: post #9

>AI can be helpful in these moments, synthesizing insights for questions where there’s no one right answer. Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search that distill complex information and multiple perspectives into easy-to-digest formats, so you can quickly understand the big picture and learn more from the web: whether that’s seeking out additional perspectives, like blogs from people who play both piano and gui…

That's good for users, potentially. But not good for the sites where google is sourcing the information.

One thing I don’t get… I read blogs and articles for the experience I feel when I read them. There’s a look and feel to these sites.

Conversing with chatGPT is just giving me information and facts. I don’t see it replacing the experience of engaging with a website.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by meken »

elorant wrote: post #329
alexb_ wrote: post #9

>AI can be helpful in these moments, synthesizing insights for questions where there’s no one right answer. Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search that distill complex information and multiple perspectives into easy-to-digest formats, so you can quickly understand the big picture and learn more from the web: whether that’s seeking out additional perspectives, like blogs from people who play both piano and gui…

I like that, and that's the one thing I enjoy most about ChatGPT, but the problem with this scenario is that it breaks the web. If a search engine can give me all the answers I want, then there’s no point in visiting sites anymore, aside for e-commerce. So if you have a site you wouldn’t want the next AI search engine to crawl your content because you get no traffic back. So either they find a way to give traffic bac…

I still think I will read articles for the opinion of the writer, the vibe of the site, and the experience of reading an article. I don’t see chatGPT replacing this for me

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Post by Hugsun »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #973
addandsubtract wrote: post #919

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Correction: the AI will ask the questions it couldn't find a high enough confidence answer to. We are all now working for the AI to find niche scraps of knowledge that haven't been indexed.

I had similar thoughts. The next evolution towards general AIs would be the implementation of curiosity.

https://proceedings.mlr.press/v70/pathak17a.html

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by pleadthefifth »

htrp wrote: post #741
thehappypm wrote: post #562

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He’s leading Google Cloud to strong growth, which is more important than something niche but innovative like Stadia.

Technically they poached Thomas Kurian from Oracle for that.....

That's fine, Kurian is under Sundar too. But GCP isn't winning.
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