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Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by wonderwonder »

thwayunion wrote: post #303
wonderwonder wrote: post #302

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"Then I'm honestly confused why you're posting on this article" Because I want to. I mentioned nothing about college in the original comment that you replied to. I pattern matched :) Judging by the number of responses to my post, other people wanted to discuss it from my perspective as well. Thats one of the nice things about HN, the open, unrestricted flow of conversation I know that gays are ok. I have absolutely n…

> I just dont think its an appropriate topic for elementary school. I've never understood what this means. Is talking about another student's two Daddies not okay? Teacher talking about their same-sex spouse? Do people imagine they're passing out porn to second graders? Don't get it. Sounds like stupid bullshit. Literally worse than HR DEI training slide decks tbh. > I very much do have an issue with transexuality be…

Going to go out on a limb and assume you don't have kids? Part of being a parent is pushing back on things that you perceive as a long term risk to the happiness of your kids as well as a danger to your role as the ultimate decider for your kids while they are young. California openly has policies where they lie to parents of transexual children, keeping secrets from them. This is anathema to me. Even the potential of something like this happening in my kids school is enough for me to vote against it.

Regarding the two daddies comment, I have no issue with my kids knowing child X has 2 dads or whatever. Its the pushing of gay pride events, etc. Its making it seem like its a desirable trait that perhaps a kid should experiment with that I don't like. If my kid is gay/trans then so be it, I love them the same. I just don't want them thinking they are based on in school propaganda.

Now you may posit that its all in my head but its also in the head of many many other people. In addition there are very real policies in states like California that indicate its not all in my head. End of the day the thing I am most against is schools conspiring to withhold information from parents.

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Post by wonderwonder »

freejazz wrote: post #310
wonderwonder wrote: post #291

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"It's a right-wing bogeyman and they use it to scare people because it works. Just like it did with you." Your right, I'm an idiot unable to think for myself. Me and everyone else that believes this. People who believe as you do are the only intelligent ones able to think for themselves. Everything I have experienced related to DEI is not real and part of the massive collective hallucination experienced by anyone tha…

>"Your right, I'm an idiot unable to think for myself. It is bold of you to admit this, but I commend you, even despite your apparent and admitted idiocy.

Thanks FreeJazz, I appreciate that. Your approval means more to me than you could imagine.

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Post by freejazz »

wonderwonder wrote: post #312
freejazz wrote: post #310

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>"Your right, I'm an idiot unable to think for myself. It is bold of you to admit this, but I commend you, even despite your apparent and admitted idiocy.

Thanks FreeJazz, I appreciate that. Your approval means more to me than you could imagine.

No caps!

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

eldaisfish wrote: post #308
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #200

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> but social factors are also a thing Why are black people disproportionately in pro basketball? "It must be genetics!". It couldn't possibly be the fact that basketball courts are easier to build in the inner city than baseball fields. It couldn't be the fact that many poor black kids see the salaries that sports stars make, see the accessibility of a basketball court, and think "that's my ticket out.". (A neat docu…

In the NBA, it IS genetics. You cannot increase your height through your own efforts, the limit IS genetic. Basketball is one of the few sports where genetic advantages are a major factor. The reason many black americans are so tall is some part a cruel history but an equal part genetics - you would be foolish to deny this. The location of basketball courts is incidental and i'm not certain what your point is.

There are about 130 thousand people 6' 6" or taller in the US: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/585718168419c246cf6f2...

Which is coincidentally the average height of NBA players (meaning almost half of them are below this height).

There are a maximum of about 600 NBA players at any given time, so a little more than 300 at 6' 6" or above.

Having good height genetics means you have a 0.25% chance of being an NBA player in any given year. Not factoring in foreign players. Maybe a 2% chance in your lifetime.

Being a black person doesn't give you any more advantage than being a white person when it comes to height. In fact, in the USA, white American males average an inch taller than black American males: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-hei...

(Yes, I'm aware of standard deviations, and unfortunately don't have this statistic for the two groups.)

> The location of basketball courts is incidental and i'm not certain what your point is.

The importance of social factors in opportunity (and motivation) to build talent in certain endeavors.

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Post by astrange »

tablespoon wrote: post #259
astrange wrote: post #62

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> I worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of other cultural issues. He's not going to do anything about it. He's going to start a few fights to get press attention, then give up on it as soon as they stop paying attention, since he's just running your state government as PR for a presidential campaign. (Y…

>> I worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of other cultural issues. > He's not going to do anything about it. He's going to start a few fights to get press attention, then give up on it as soon as they stop paying attention, since he's just running your state government as PR for a presidential campaign.…

Well, someone who isn't running for president.

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Post by xyzzyz »

freejazz wrote: post #307
xyzzyz wrote: post #286

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How so? Can you explain?

It's so obtuse as to not be genuinely believable. I have no reason to believe you struggled to understand the poster's meaning to the point that you genuinely offered that as a means of creating greater understanding.

What was the poster’s meaning, then? Sorry, I genuinely do not understand what you are getting at here.

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Post by astrange »

Dig1t wrote: post #204
astrange wrote: post #62

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> I worry about my kids if this keeps escalating. I dislike Desantis for many reasons but ended up voting for him specifically for this reason and a couple of other cultural issues. He's not going to do anything about it. He's going to start a few fights to get press attention, then give up on it as soon as they stop paying attention, since he's just running your state government as PR for a presidential campaign. (Y…

Welp, we have 2 choices, the person who SAYS they are against it, and the person who is an advocate for it. The only option we have is to vote for the person who at least says they are going to do something about it. That's just how American politics goes.

What politician says they're an advocate for DEI statements in university hiring?

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Post by goatlover »

Dig1t wrote: post #212
wonderwonder wrote: post #181

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I can assure you that what I posted is word for word what it said. Pretty hard to misunderstand. I work at a fortune 500 company.

I work in FAANG, and they just this year added a new category to yearly performance reviews for inclusion and diversity. So now our promotions and raises are tied not only to the quality of code we write and how much we help our team's productivity, but also to how much we helped non-white people get hired on the team. I also have an inclusion training every 6 months that sounds very similar to yours.

I don't understand why coders are supposed to be helping HR hire people. That seems like they've messed up job assignments or training with their push for diversity.

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Post by goatlover »

hotpotamus wrote: post #201
rayiner wrote: post #91

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> Another issue is that Asians while less in number than most other minorities are treated as white by DEI. Asian kids stand to be hurt the most by this. They want asian kids to view themselves as oppressed minorities (e.g. the California ethnic studies curriculum). They make thinly veiled accusations that our cultural traits (keeping our heads down and not complaining) is an effort to uphold white supremacy. But whe…

I have a really hard time trying to sort through the victim olympics of this statement to determine who wins the gold here. White is a slippery definition though - on that much I suppose I can agree. Ricky Ricardo would never have been allowed to be shown married to a white woman on TV back when his show was airing if Cubans weren't considered white too. Jews sort of come and go from being white as well, but I don't…

Apparently there is ongoing debate within the US census as to whether Hispanic should be treated as an ethnic category. Some Hispanics have objected to being placed in the white racial category as opposed to just being called Hispanic. I'm thinking at some point in the future we'll realize that racial categories don't make much sense.
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