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If you live in most American cities, biking is basically a life hazard on par with smoking imo
And good luck not having your bikes get regularly stolen in places like SF or NYC. You better ride the most revolting beater you can find, and even then.
US DOT awards $800M toward street safety
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#52As long as safety for people is not prioritized over car speed, no amount of spending will make streets substantially more safe. Cars are the problem, they cause all the deaths.
I wouldn't feel safer if food, medical products, construction materials, and other materials for our wellbeing became less accessible due to the increased labor cost of transport associated with significantly lower speed limits, however.
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The average American is biking for leisure. If they had to bike on their commute it totally changes and instead of a planned low-risk leisure route you're on the highway to hell in the thick of rush hour traffic. It's completely incomparable.
I bicycle commuted for years in an American city. It is as safe as your local council decides it should be, and my commute always felt safe. Don't give in to the belief that unsafe cycling is inevitable.
I biked for over a decade without incident for leisure.
Then I started bicycle commuting. Within one year I had not one but two occasions where I was knocked unconscious by angry rush hour drivers. I no longer could plan my destination but rather had to fight the entirety of traffic trying to get downtown at the same time at once. I still have trouble with one arm and the other time I believe I got a concussion after the driver destroyed my bike hitting me broadside and drove off.
I have about 3-4 years of biking as only transport including working as a full time professional bike messenger. I have never been hurt outside of rush hour. I have never been hurt on a planned leisure route. Only when I cannot pick the destination.
The hostility in my experience is like 10x dealing with angry to/from work rush-hour traffic headed to a dense job-rich area, especially with folks like soccer moms desperate to pick up their kiddy from daycare in time, etc.
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#54So people pay taxes to the federal government, who then doles it back out to the cities and states to spend it, after taking a big cut for their own legions of bureaucrats. If these projects are important, why can't they be funded directly via city and state taxes? If I want safer roads, I can call up my state rep, who is much more likely to listen to me than my congressman or senator.
Your state rep can listen all they want but they won't have the means.
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"Excessive speed" in the statistics is purely based on posted speed limit. The way posted speed limits are set in the US is not based on safety.
"The way posted speed limits are set in the US is not based on safety." That's an opinion. Any source to back that up? The limits are set based on safety and flow considerations, with safety taking precedent. ""Excessive speed" in the statistics is purely based on posted speed limit." Not true. This can include going too fast for conditions, such as in snow. Or exceeding the recommended speed for a turn, even if you'…
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> bus, and The current reality is that these aren’t options, in most American cities. My 20 minute commute is a 2.5 hour bus ride, according to google. My 20 minute commute also puts me into a neighborhood that I can afford.
That is because: > We repeatedly make a political decision in the US not to prioritize them Public transit can be fast and efficient if it is prioritized. That may require raising the federal tax on gasoline (last raised thirty years ago!!!) and directing that overdue increase to funding alternative transportation options.
For the higher density cities, cost is a major factor. I remember seeing a study or article comparing cost and time to build a subway in the US vs a European country. If I remember correctly, it tooks years longer and cost tens of millions more for a similar route even adjusted for local cost differences.
I would like additonal funding for many things. I would first like to explore efficient use of the money we do have in order to make it all more effective.
Re: US DOT awards $800M toward street safety
#57So people pay taxes to the federal government, who then doles it back out to the cities and states to spend it, after taking a big cut for their own legions of bureaucrats. If these projects are important, why can't they be funded directly via city and state taxes? If I want safer roads, I can call up my state rep, who is much more likely to listen to me than my congressman or senator.
Sure, except for the vast majority of spaces in the US that don't have a tax base that could support any sort of infrastructure network, but still provide vital goods for the country as a whole. The majority of US agricultural output would fall under this category, for one example.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wouldn't feel safer if food, medical products, construction materials, and other materials for our wellbeing became less accessible due to the increased labor cost of transport associated with significantly lower speed limits, however.
Tell me you’ve only ever lived in North America without telling me you’ve only ever lived in North America.
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#59https://www.enotrans.org/article/bipartisan-infrastructure-b... > Sub-state municipal governments, MPOs, and tribes will be able to apply for grants to develop Vision Zero plans ... At least 40 percent.. $400 million of the up-front $1 billion.. would have to go for the planning grants to develop Vision Zero plans. https://visionzeronetwork.org/where-to-start/ > First implemented in Sweden in the 1990s, Vision Zero h…
"Speeding kills more than 10,000 people each year in the U.S." That's a little misleading. Excessive speed is a factor in about 30% of US traffic fatalities. That can have an overlap with other factors, like DUI, inattentive driving, or failure to yield. Speed itself is not the issue, as we see with lower fatality per mile on the autobahn, including areas without limits or with high limits. Speed mixed with bad decis…
But compare this to, say, any of the deadliest roads in the US. They all have a pedestrian use case: People need to cross them. And yet, their lanes are as wide as highway lanes, are often at least 4, if not 8 lanes across, and so straight that, once you take away pedestrians and traffic, the design feels like an autobahn. They are often rated as 40mph streets, where people might do 50 or 60. A street like that will kill people if they try to cross, as many forms of failure lead to a 4000 pound vehicle going fast colliding the pedestrian, and that's often fatal. If there is a real pedestrian use case for the street, either the pedestrians need an easy way to just never step on the asphalt, or affordances that lower the risk need to be added in.
Again, basically every lethal mile of road in America has the same design characteristics and use cases, which aren't shared by safer roads. So it's not that no road can let you do 60mph: It's that too many American roads let you do at least 40, while pedestrians have to cross them. You might as well say that deaths in a very narrow bridge with spikes at the bottom is a matter of lack of education in funambulism.
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"The way posted speed limits are set in the US is not based on safety." That's an opinion. Any source to back that up? The limits are set based on safety and flow considerations, with safety taking precedent. ""Excessive speed" in the statistics is purely based on posted speed limit." Not true. This can include going too fast for conditions, such as in snow. Or exceeding the recommended speed for a turn, even if you'…
The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) recommends a speed study, setting the posted speed limit to the nearest 5 mph mark of the 85th percentile of observed speed. Safety is not the primary design consideration when it comes to roads in the US.
Speeds of motorists in normal conditions
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Roadway type (e.g., interstate, freeway, city street)
Roadway features (e.g., curves, hills, number of lanes)
Roadway setting (e.g., urban, rural, residential, woodland, farmland)
Number and spacing of driveways or intersections
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Presence of on-street parking
Pedestrian or bicyclist activity
Crash history
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