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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

ddp26 wrote: post #281
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Metaculus estimates [1] that Bing's marketshare will rise from 3.03% on Jan 15 to 4.07% by Dec 31, 2023, and it's trending up slightly as Microsoft's plans become more concrete. [1] https://www.metaculus.com/questions/14409/bing-search-market...

It’s hard for me to imagine that Edge would become my main browser (big Firefox fan for many years), but I’d certainly give these new AI features a test drive.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by impalallama »

I am incredibly impressed with the demos being able to have excellent citations to more primary sources which effectively solves the biggest problem with using ChatGPT. If this works as well as they plan Bing will become the primary search engine for many.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by timeon »

lb4r wrote: post #134
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Consequently, this is probably the beginning of a very abrupt end for traditional search.

New era of confidentially incorrect search results.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by valine »

JohnFen wrote: post #477
valine wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a commonly echoed complaint but it’s largely without merit. ChatGPT spews nonsense because it has no access to information outside of its training set. In the context of a search engine, single shot learning with the top search results should mitigate almost all hallucination.

Not if it's only looking at the top search results. Those are very often terrible sources of information.

Something like searchQuery+=“ reddit” should do the trick.

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Post by hankman86 »

Everyone keeps talking about Google being caught off guard, declaring a “code red” scenario and reeling the founders back in to avert an existential threat etc.

I don’t personally care about Google so much. They haven’t innovated on their core product in a long time.

What most of the journalistic coverage of the Bing+ChatGPT integration seems to be missing is that this is also the end of organic search traffic. Information-centric websites are the first to miss out on a lot of clicks. And as ChatGPT evolves into an assistant that performs actual jobs for you, websites that perform actual services (e.g., online shopping) may be next in line to suffer a decline in traffic.

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Post by visarga »

grugagag wrote: post #461
lottin wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok succeeded because it offered something that the public wanted. I don't know that a chat bot is something that the public wants. I know I have no use for it.

Now youtube trying to catch up with Tiktok is ruining their users experience with their 'Shorts' feature. My opinion at least. I wish I could hide shorts and never see them again...

Does anyone know if parental controls can hide shorts? Especially from the mobile toolbar.

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Post by yayr »

Google has had a huge history of poor product execution. So long it was not strongly apparent in ads and also not so much in search but many other areas. Now they again show this poor product execution and lack of customer focus in AI. The reason that they struggle is not that they don't have smart brains in their org, but that they are not able to translate that power into customer value and imagine and iterate effectively towards user space. Let's see if they can get the curve...

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Post by theboywho »

epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Highly unlikely since Google has been playing around with their own chatGPT called LaMDA that they are now making into a product called Bard.

I think that Microsoft could have had a chance if they decided to do this before even introducing the world to chatGPT, everyone would have been talking about Bing, but now everyone knows chatGPT and everyone is gonna be talking about Google's Bard as an alternative to chatGPT and not as an alternative to Bing/chatGPT.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by WorldMaker »

bbor wrote: post #479
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

Can anyone link a credible expert who thinks that LLMs could ever evolve into AGI? Every single source I’ve read said that while LLMs are competent at language and certain tasks, they are conceptually completely distinct from the basic components of an AGI. For example, they lack structured knowledge and metacognition.

We still don't know what AGI is or how to ever get there, so you likely won't find a credible expert who thinks that LLMs could ever evolve into AGI but you also aren't likely to find a credible expert who thinks LLMs could never evolve into AGI. Every credible expert that believes in AGI is going to hedge their bets and hem and haw and say that "well it's possible" to both questions (ever or never).

I think that's also why you are seeing a lot of cynical credible experts starting to doubt AGI as a concept or a goal.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by visarga »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #457
robertlagrant wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, but for totally different reasons. I think Edge's advantage is MS could build a load of corporately validated plugins and service in it for employees, making it the de facto corporate browser. Then with some decent features around work/life separation with bookmarks and password management and it could easily start bleeding back into consumerland.

Why wouldn't Google build that into Chrome (and Mozilla into Firefox and Apple into Safari) if users want it? ChatGPT is not special. Any of these companies can develop LLMs that are on par with ChatGPT.

I think the bar was just raised for browsers, it is like the iPhone moment. From now on every browser will have to follow suit or be left behind, can't search like it's 2019. Google could see its position taken over in 2-5 years, if we go by the speed Google itself, the iPhone, Chrome and YouTube won the market.
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