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Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by ly3xqhl8g9 »

paulpan wrote: post #218
revskill wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its goal is to kill Google + Chrome i think. Profit comes later ?

Not if Microsoft kills itself in the process? At best it's a Pyrrhic victory as both companies sink enormous infra costs to outdo one another. Worst case could be like Nokia acquisition debacle a decade ago when Microsoft desperately tried to re-break into mobile and failed. There was a HN thread on this a while ago where consensus was serving cost ~$0.03-0.05 PER query, which is absolutely huge. Adds more credence t…

It's ~$0.03 per query if you were to buy the compute from AWS/Azure. If you own the datacenters it's probably more around $0.0003, perhaps less.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by rhaway84773 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #378
shortrounddev wrote: post #354

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I've been full on the Microsoft train for the last few years and am glad to see it finally paying off. I will no longer have to feel ashamed when sharing my screen and accidentally showing my coworkers my thousands of Bing rewards points

You get paid to bing?

I’ve had several years of free XBox Live thanks to Bing paying me with rewards.

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Post by 2bitencryption »

nickthegreek wrote: post #103
2bitencryption wrote: post #42

So much for "citing its work." The answer I got here: https://www.bing.com/search?q=What%20cars%20should%20I%20con... Says the Tesla Model Y can go from 0 to 60 in 4.8 seconds, and has a citation link to a page that... doesn't even mention Tesla once.

I think you are just using regular bing. This is not the AI-ified version.

No, it is indeed the AI-ified version. It cited a source for the "0 to 60" value for a Tesla Model Y, but if you actually follow the link to the source, it doesn't mention Tesla once.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by HDThoreaun »

braingenious wrote: post #183

I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff? It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”

If google goes from profiting $.001 to $.0005 per search they'd face an existential threat. That may well be the reality of chatbot based search platforms. Microsoft is happy to hoover up those searches at even $.00005 profit a hit, but for google that would mean losing $50 billion a year in profit.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by neuronic »

basch wrote: post #347
elektor wrote: post #288

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I was able to get on by downloading the Canary version of Edge, which then prompted me to try the "new Bing".

It doesn't appear real. It looks like the new interface but dumps the query into old bing. You only have access to the couple prerendered conversations.

Is it possible that they divert 95% of traffic to old Bing and only slowly open the floodgates to the new backend?

Does anyone get actual answers aside from the "Try it" examples? If not then this is already a bad move in terms of PR and makes Microsoft seem inconsistent and weird.

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Post by rmbyrro »

pphysch wrote: post #267
revskill wrote: post #232

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It's hard for Google now i think. It has really bad reputation on many things, which are hard to re-earn. I myself no longer use Google search, and less Gmail (mostly for throwaway content). Google gonna have a hard time to earn reputation in their services. They lost the "trust" war.

Bing also has a bad reputation.

Bing has never been a relevant search engine to earn a reputation, in my opinion. Microsoft has a bad reputation, but I'd say it changed a LOT in the past 10 years and has earned back a non-negligible chunk of trust.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by sailingparrot »

paulpan wrote: post #28

Most interesting tidbits: 1 - Sam Altman onstage all but confirmed the underlying LLM model as GPT-4 as he kept saying "next gen" without providing a name 2 - Microsoft is all-in by making this front-and-center of Bing, as well as deep integration into Edge browser I'm most curious about how Microsoft is planning to pay for the infrastructure cost of serving the traffic.

> all but confirmed the underlying LLM model as GPT-4 as he kept saying "next gen" without providing a name 2

It is not. It's still 3.5:

"Microsoft says these features are all powered by an upgraded version of GPT 3.5, the AI OpenAI language model that powers ChatGPT. Microsoft calls this the “Prometheus Model,” and says it’s more powerful than GPT 3.5, and better able to answer search queries with up-to-date information and annotated answers." (https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/7/23587454/microsoft-bing-ed...)

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