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Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by siva7 »

fnikacevic wrote: post #334
davesque wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

Might become the largest case of the innovator's dilemma ever.

This has to be the best case of Innovator's dilemma i've ever witnessed. Even more tragic when thinking that literally every Manager at Google knows this pattern or book.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by hintymad »

I still remember numerous reports of more than 10 years ago how Bing could not catch up to Google, or how MS moved slowly, or how Balmer threw a chair towards a distinguished engineer, lashing out about massive loss of talent in MS.

I wouldn't dream that some day MS could be a step ahead of Google, at least per their blog posts.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by jhickok »

paulpan wrote: post #218
revskill wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its goal is to kill Google + Chrome i think. Profit comes later ?

Not if Microsoft kills itself in the process? At best it's a Pyrrhic victory as both companies sink enormous infra costs to outdo one another. Worst case could be like Nokia acquisition debacle a decade ago when Microsoft desperately tried to re-break into mobile and failed. There was a HN thread on this a while ago where consensus was serving cost ~$0.03-0.05 PER query, which is absolutely huge. Adds more credence t…

Well minimally Microsoft will bake it into their enterprise offerings, perhaps as a paid add-on or a throw-in to the higher tier subscriptions-- which are encroaching upon 100 dollars per user per month-- in order to move paying customers up the funnel.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by skrause »

ycta20221203980 wrote: post #62
partiallypro wrote: post #40

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Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

I like Edge and I want to like Bing but my problem is that the new tab page on Edge and the landing page on (current) Bing are so bad. They're full of random junk and articles I don't want to see. I'll switch to Bing full time if they just make the landing page clean.

I simply use the "Blank New Tab Page" extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/blank-new-tab-page...

This gives me back the good old about:blank new tab page. I use the URL bar to search for stuff.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by HDThoreaun »

davesque wrote: post #289
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Yep. If Microsoft somehow overtakes Google from the back with Bing and ChatGPT, it'll be the tech coup of the century. And it's so fascinating how Google's position as an AI think tank put them at a tremendous disadvantage. They didn't cut a deal with OpenAI because why should they? After all, they originated much of the research that led to GPT3. But then they didn't really do anything with it at all because they di…

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to.

They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existential problems, even if they maintain complete control over the market, because the market size will be drastically smaller.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by neuronic »

zzzeek wrote: post #324
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

they'd have to get ChatGPT to stop spewing up made up bullshit and fake academic citations first, which I think is a bit of a bigger problem than many seem to be considering. the outcome will still be hilarious though, so it's win win for the onlookers I guess edit: all the responses here who think the garbage is "just fine, at least it's not SEO" are similarly hilarious. as though SEO would not be polluting the AI a…

I kind of think this isn't as much of an issue as we assume. It just has to be superior to the first page of Google results which nowadays is an infested pile of SEO garbage, direct advertisments and a single Wikipedia link.
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