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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Disclaimer - I work at Microsoft They put a lot of work into the research to make this safe already - they had the model red team itself, in a reinforcement learning environment probably. It won't be perfect, but at this point, they need a huge user base to adversarial test it any further. Otherwise no progress at all would be made. edit - I should say I have no internal knowledge about this.

And that research is valuable, but it's definitely nowhere near the point where safety/alignment progress can't be made without a user base. A few recent favorites of mine: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2212.03827.pdf https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/aPeJE8bSo6rAFoLqg/solid...

Note that that kind of research was only possible on the (smaller) open models. When the new models are proprietary ones then outsiders can't do that kind of analysis. If they had regenerated the tokenization dictionary to match the training data instead of reusing an older set then this wouldn't transfer from GPT2 to ChatGPT.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

ChatGPT already mounts a challenge to Google. Today, it:

    90%:"absolutely correctly and factually", 10%:"wildly misleadingly but plausibly"
succinctly answers specific queries nearly instantly on every subject, usually saving a lot of time and giving satisfying answers, but leaving you wondering "did it that just make that up though?"

The 10% of the time it makes stuff up and teaches it to you feels like a very mean-spirited practical joke. It is at once the most informative and useful tool, able to tutor you in reams of real-world information in minutes, and also the most blatantly dis-informative resource, to be constantly on edge with to see when it is pulling your leg.

By combining it with Bing's results, it could check to see if what it is hallucinating has any basis in reality. By removing the 10% of times it just makes things up out of whole cloth that are not anywhere on the Internet, users can use it without wondering "Perfect answer! But I wonder if it just made that up."

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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it's interesting to compare all of the hype around LLM on here with my anecdotal experience with my tech friends who doesn't really seem to care, and my non-tech friends who couldn't care less. sort of reminds me of the hype around 3D movies immediately after the first Avatar movie.

Considering ChatGPT reached 100M users in 2 months, it's clear a lot of people care.

I'm one of those users and for me at least it's pure curiosity. I don't see any use cases for it yet that interest me and I certainly don't want it involved in my web searches.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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If you haven’t realised yet, Microsoft Bing with ChatGPT is the last stage of the EEE phase ‘Extinguish’ after embracing and extending OpenAI, that will drive and undercut other competing services like Jasper.ai to zero and the best AI tools for free or close to free. It will significantly affect smaller so-called AI companies like Jasper.ai than Google. But this announcement is unsurprising and as expected. [0] I wi…

> EEE No. This has nothing to do with a statement made 20+ years ago. There is no "Embrace" involved. There is no "Extend" involved. There is no "Extinquish" involved. There is an obvious business and competitive step involved, and a major business relationship with OpenAI involved. It's time to grow up and stop acting as if using terminology and aspersions from the era of Fax machine is somehow hip and insightful. E…

> No. This has nothing to do with a statement made 20+ years ago.

Yes it does.

The methods are different but the strategy is the same. You can’t compete against free, and Microsoft can foot the bill for their services without charging for it for years to suffocate competitors.

> It's time to grow up and stop acting as if using terminology and aspersions from the era of Fax machine is somehow hip and insightful.

Anyone who thinks Microsoft has changed their ways and stopped their past tactics has just bought into their lies and ‘Microsoft Loves Open Source’ nonsense.

If the exclusive OpenAI licenses and the acquisition of GitHub and other market leaders are not an indication of great EEE candidates to squeeze out competitors for offering their services close to free, then I don’t know what is.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

[ended up with a duplicate half comment. see above: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34698426 ]

Microsoft using blink/chromium is a good thing IMO.

Once Apple is forced to open up iOS to other browsers, the blink/chromium monopoly will be complete.

The only check on Google's ability to dictate what a web browser is will be the influence of companies like Microsoft, who are invested in blink/chromium and have the resources to potentially fork it if Google does something they don't like.

I would not be surprised if we see a blink/chromium based Safari in the future so that Apple can join the party as well.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Is this live? When will it be available?

I just opened Edge, went to Bing.com, and there is a wait list option where it claims you can:

> Access the new Bing even faster

> Get ahead in the line when you complete the following

> Step number one - Set Microsoft defaults on your PC

> Step number two - Scan the QR code to install the Microsoft Bing App

https://www.bing.com/new/fastaccess?form=MY0291&OCID=MY0291

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I think we all here at HN will inevitably underestimate the impact of putting GPT into Bing. We may have been playing with GPT for years, but it has just been gift-wrapped and delivered to hundreds of millions in their default Windows browser. I’m expecting it to blow grandma’s mind.

Grandma will still Bing www.google.com but instead ChatGPT will give her a 5 paragraph lecture on how to search the internet properly.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Humanity never had a choice, I wonder what is the thought process of people that claim otherwise, like how did they get to that conclusion?

Humanity always has a choice. The part where we rarely even pause to remember that a choice exists is the problem. Achieving AGI feels as consequential as learning to split the atom. Something else we regularly wish we had not done. The fact that we are running headlong towards potential catastrophe does not at any point prevent us from realizing this and taking a step back. I just hope we actually do.

I'm really, really surprised that you implied "we" regularly wish we hadn't discovered nulcear. How isn't it clear that nukes are what stopped us from getting into WWIII? Especially after cold war and what happened in Ukraine?

The benefit of nuclear energy, which is already tremendous, is neglectable compared to that.

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