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Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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Posts like this make me really wish this site had a downvote button.

It does for comments... ;)

Why would you downvote a 100% true statement like Cloudflare is destroying the Open Internet

the only part I disagree with in the article is their assertion that Government is needed to stop cloud flare

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare has pushed against public sentiment [..] to restrict censorship. Except when they booted sites off their network because Twitter users were upset..

Upset over serious, credible, actionable, threats of violence against other people hosted on those sites.

Was it... I think you may want to research those events more

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

#23
> Monopolistic Control of the CDN Market: Another issue is the monopolistic control that Cloudflare has over the CDN market. As one of the largest CDN providers...

This is a silly piece, but the claim that Cloudflare is so big that they can push sites around doesn't make sense. Not everyone has released 2022 revenue yet, but in 2021 Akamai took in $3.5B to Cloudflare's $0.66B, Fastly's $0.35B, and Edgecast's $0.29B. Then consider that while we don't have separate revenue numbers for Amazon Cloudfront, Google Cloud CDN, or Azure CDN they're all serious contenders. If Cloudflare offers you bad terms you have many other companies that want your business.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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post #6

Cloudflare has pushed against public sentiment and mildly against the government to restrict censorship. They would want nothing more than be just "delivery infrastructure" part of the internet. All the points about transparency, monopolies, and privacy concerns and implicit trust in general level are true, of course. They should be addressed. If you want to resist attacks and deliver content efficiently you need CDN…

> Cloudflare has pushed against public sentiment [..] to restrict censorship. Except when they booted sites off their network because Twitter users were upset..

I personally don't trust any of my businesses to run on it after this, and have been advising business partners and people I advise to steer clear of it. I know it's not much, but it's been mid to high 6 figures in revenue i've had shifted elsewhere. Having a business possibly be crippled won't pass any sort of risk management, and clearly shows they don't rank highly on any sort of organizational maturity scale.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upset over serious, credible, actionable, threats of violence against other people hosted on those sites.

Was it... I think you may want to research those events more

And I think you don't have the slightest idea what the commenter you're pretending to reply to, is actually talking about.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

#26

Posts like this make me really wish this site had a downvote button.

It does for comments... ;) Why would you downvote a 100% true statement like Cloudflare is destroying the Open Internet the only part I disagree with in the article is their assertion that Government is needed to stop cloud flare

You may not understand what "true" means!

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it... I think you may want to research those events more

And I think you don't have the slightest idea what the commenter you're pretending to reply to, is actually talking about.

pretty sure I am fully informed...

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

#28
The main point of criticism towards Cloudflare is that they both sell services for DDoS protection and services for anonymization and hiding IPs used by DoS attackers at the same time. As such, they have no incentive to improve the situation for users. Nor to work towards IETF or other control plane standards for DoS protection/mitigation. It has been like that on the web for far too long, also with certain other players.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

#29
This is so overwrought. We're not talking about Embrace, Extend, Extinguish here, where Microsoft wanted to exploit their OS monopoly to bend the Internet to its will. Cloudflare's products are popular because they solve real problems; Cloudflare is not responsible for the popularity of outsourcing SSL termination, the difficulty of implementing SSL properly is, and if Cloudflare ceased operating tomorrow there would still be vendors and customers for SSL termination aplenty.

Re: Cloudflare is destroying the open internet

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post #24
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare has pushed against public sentiment [..] to restrict censorship. Except when they booted sites off their network because Twitter users were upset..

I personally don't trust any of my businesses to run on it after this, and have been advising business partners and people I advise to steer clear of it. I know it's not much, but it's been mid to high 6 figures in revenue i've had shifted elsewhere. Having a business possibly be crippled won't pass any sort of risk management, and clearly shows they don't rank highly on any sort of organizational maturity scale.

Maybe you should instead advise your business partners not to host content that threatens the lives of specific individuals based solely on their identity group? Including coordinate doxxing, harassment, swatting, and threats of violence?

It's nice that you have the option to take such a professional attitude that can advise companies in the abstract based on free speech absolutionism, but the details really matter.

I know too many Americans genuinely believe that free speech absolutionism is the only way to prevent a descent into 1984 authoritarianism, but Canada and Europe seems to have found a way to restrict nazis and threats of violence against races and LGBTQ people and ending the "slippery slope" there.

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