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Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but it's a lot easier for a Founder CEO with 22% ownership of the company to do. It's completely not comparable to a CEO hired with no initial equity stake. Just for illustration. The 10% stock price jump this message caused just earned him $500+ million

That’s why you clawback the equity as well

Why? Because the CEO did his job and made the stock price go up?

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way that 60% are engineers. This kind of scale up is usually in sales and customer support roles, and moderation if applicable.

What's a better guess for all in number related to engineering staff? Engineers, QA (if any), resource managers, product managers to work with engineers to develop new features/ideas, project managers to manage "sprints" or "agile" or "waterfall" or "kanban" or whatever

For a company that focuses on enterprise sales as hard as Zoom does, I think a super rough ballpark is that all-in engineering staff are not more than 50% of headcount.

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#84

> We have made the tough but necessary decision to reduce our team by approximately 15% and say goodbye to around 1,300 hardworking, talented colleagues. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ZM/zoom-video-comm... Zoom Video Communications total number of employees in 2022 was 6,787, a 53.48% increase from 2021. Zoom Video Communications total number of employees in 2021 was 4,422, a 74.64% increase from 2020. Zo…

> 4200 engineers to work on an app that at its core is... video conferencing? Low latency video in general is an extremely hard problem to get right. Video conferencing is that, and more. Is the number of employees likely overinflated? Clearly as they just had layoffs. But let's not pretend the problem space is some super easy thing that can be handled by one engineer in their basement.

i don’t disagree but at its core haven’t they already solved this problem?

i don’t hear any release notes about it getting any faster or better quality

i’m sure they have scaling semi solved now at 300m+ daily users (if that’s true)

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#85
I feel like Zoom is the Coca-Cola to Google and Microsoft's Pepsi. Zoom is the "OG" product (in the post-March-2020 remote working world), and probably most people's personal favorite. But their competitors have caught up, and they are getting a significant portion of corporate contracts now. And unlike with soda, I don't think there is a lot of direct-to-consumer opportunity in this field.

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#86
This sucks but something like COVID should normalize the idea in the minds of workers that all workers are disposable regardless of education or skill. If you don't own 51% of the company, you are disposable.

Zoom had a use for you during COVID, now they don't: bye-bye. You were used, they got what they needed and now it is time to go. That's how workers are treated and people should understand that. You are not George from Engineering, you are employee #3223 and you cost $x per year. Past maybe 20 - 25 people, you are nothing but a number and quickly after you no longer create more value than you are paid, you are out.

Unlike others cough Facebook cough Google cough, Zoom actually a reason to scale during COVID; they were relatively new, they had crazy demand, and the access to money to do it. Zoom was given a blank check and leadership would've been worse for _not_ taking it.

That happened, now it is waning and it is time to 'right size' (barf) and continue what they were doing before.

Good on him for cutting his own salary and comp even if I don't think he is as dumb as Zuckerberg or others for their company's paper growth.

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#87
Why do people in HN get so upset that companies hire and fire employees? It sucks as an individual to have to deal with a layoff, but it’s the dynamic of an economy. Optimal growth comes from over and under dampening, not from steady state.

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#88
I find it remarkable that after the pandemic bump, zoom stock value is basically back at where it started. Peaking at almost a x10 price increase pre-pandemic to pandemic-top, investors are now stating "zoom is worth almost as much to us as it was pre-pandemic". Meaning that in a business sense, they seem to have captured near zero value of the entire pandemic-boom in their stock price?

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

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> As the CEO and founder of Zoom, I am accountable for these mistakes and the actions we take today– and I want to show accountability not just in words but in my own actions. To that end, I am reducing my salary for the coming fiscal year by 98% and foregoing my FY23 corporate bonus. Members of my executive leadership team will reduce their base salaries by 20% for the coming fiscal year while also forfeiting their…

>To that end, I am reducing my salary for the coming fiscal year by 98% and foregoing my FY23 corporate bonus. What about equity grants?

even if he resigns and donates his entire nw to charity, someone on HN will ask what about the oxygen he's using up breathing.

Re: Zoom lays off 15% of employees

#90
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three billion dollars in revenue last year

Over 3B in profit, actually.

> Zoom Video Communications gross profit for the twelve months ending October 31, 2022 was $3.283B, a 15.34% increase year-over-year.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ZM/zoom-video-comm...

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