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Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by cmh89 »

onetimeusename wrote: post #163
cmh89 wrote: post #107

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> Banning books Everyone bans books. I am surprised this is such a meme because you probably won't find many supposed free speech activists also being in favor of putting Mein Kampf in the student library for the children or teachers teaching Creationist perspectives on science. I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no?

>Everyone bans books.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Desantis is banning books for political reasons that have nothing to do with the education of children.

> I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no?

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Experts on children's education are not calling for these politics-based book bannings.

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Post by interactivecode »

catiopatio wrote: post #45
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Reminds me of having to stand in a circle with all my classmates while one of us had the privilege of holding the national flag. We then in unison had to recite a pledge to that flag, the nation and god. just thinking about having to say the pledge of allegiance gives me chills.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." It’s a pointless, anodyne and unobjectionable pledge that prescribes nothing. It’s stupid, but not remotely comparable to DEI statements, or commitment to much more specific political ideals.

I did not get the liberty to decline participating.

I am not religious so why should I pledge an oath to be ruled under a god.

I am forced to recite a daily mantra filled with propaganda for a republic which is more concerned about arguing for liberty and justice than it is actually providing liberty and justice.

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Post by cmh89 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #140
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I mean if that's the case then I would probably have to vote for Desantis again. Florida economy is doing well. No Income tax and it's currently the fastest growing state by population so others must think the same.

Sure, the quality of life affluent white people in Florida is pretty great, especially when the US government bails you out after every big storm. Not everyone is an affluent white person though.

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Post by cmh89 »

willcipriano wrote: post #145
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Here are some images from books banned in Florida schools for K - 3 students by the "don't say gay" bill (censored but not safe for work): https://www.senatoraument.com/blurred-explicit-examples/ People can make their own choice if they think this is good content for nine year olds.

I enjoy that they added censor bubbles to make the pictures seem worse than they are after having me attest to being over 18. Top-tier scare mongering.

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Post by defen »

abbiebe89 wrote: post #176
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You cut off your link in the first comment. It read: "www(dot)mckinsey(dot)com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inc" I also removed " https:// " in addition to substituting (dot) to trick HN formatting. This one works because it points to the full link: "www(dot)mckinsey(dot)com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/diversity-wins-how-inclusion-matters" You can't just drag-select links on HN, since it truncates li…

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You're really focused on the "science" aspect of this (in other words, science shows that DEI is really good for company outcomes).

If science showed that DEI were bad for company outcomes, would you oppose it?

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Post by Dig1t »

cmh89 wrote: post #191
onetimeusename wrote: post #163

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> Banning books Everyone bans books. I am surprised this is such a meme because you probably won't find many supposed free speech activists also being in favor of putting Mein Kampf in the student library for the children or teachers teaching Creationist perspectives on science. I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no?

>Everyone bans books. Sorry, I should have been more clear. Desantis is banning books for political reasons that have nothing to do with the education of children. > I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Experts on children's education are not calling for these politics-based book bannings.

A huge number of parents object though, which is why Desantis has so much support. Graphic depictions and descriptions of gay sex are of dubious educational value to a large portion of parents.

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Post by wonderwonder »

cmh89 wrote: post #193
wonderwonder wrote: post #140

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I mean if that's the case then I would probably have to vote for Desantis again. Florida economy is doing well. No Income tax and it's currently the fastest growing state by population so others must think the same.

Sure, the quality of life affluent white people in Florida is pretty great, especially when the US government bails you out after every big storm. Not everyone is an affluent white person though.

Pretty confident you could swap out the name 'Florida' with any of the 50 states and your statement would be true. Why is it an exception if it's true in Florida?

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Post by shadowgovt »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #148
shadowgovt wrote: post #83

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How do DEI programs explicitly de-incentivize excellence?

You no longer hire the best candidate on the merits but rather the one with a sufficiently high DEI score.

Isn't "ability to work with people of a diverse background" also one of the merits in a very, very diverse society?

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

eldaisfish wrote: post #149
gray_-_wolf wrote: post #123

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> If you know that the general population is 20% race A, 10% race B, 30% race C, and yet your admissions are only pulling in 40% race C, 5% race B and 55% race A, you know something is wrong. Doesn't this ignore the fact that there actually might be biological differences between various races of humans? I mean, aren't most top runners black? I don't follow this closely, but it does seem there is bigger percentage of…

you are walking a dangerous line with that question. Yes, genetic advantages are a thing which is why the NBA is dominated by black people but social factors are also a thing which is why the NHL is dominated by Canadians. Diversity programs aim to address the second factor i.e. giving a temporary boost to people who didn't have access to social and economic privilege.

> but social factors are also a thing

Why are black people disproportionately in pro basketball? "It must be genetics!". It couldn't possibly be the fact that basketball courts are easier to build in the inner city than baseball fields. It couldn't be the fact that many poor black kids see the salaries that sports stars make, see the accessibility of a basketball court, and think "that's my ticket out.". (A neat documentary about this is "Hoop Dreams")

For some reason people find it easiest to default to looking at personal characteristics, which in the alt-right online spaces is genetics (in the regular right it's culture). If I had to guess a reason I'd guess that we're evolutionarily used to living in small tribes, sharing the same environment with everyone we meet, so we look to personal factors to explain preferences and abilities. But we no longer live in those homogeneous environments.

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