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Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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As long as there are more people that will do a given job for less, we're all replaceable. There's just no incentive to raise the wages or standards.

Not a popular take, but a correct one. A correct Javascript class runs the same whether it was written for $5/hr or $150/hr. Obviously there are certain advantages of efficiency and communication, but over time those advantages erode, especially with increased WFH and the like.

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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I fear we're missing a bigger contextual change in the cost/benefit calculation that these people are making in regards to layoffs. For over a decade it was an absolute survival related imperative for these companies to hire as many people as possible , and to keep them from going to their competition. Google was so afraid of competition in the ads space that they bought entire companies for hundreds millions, and pa…

You make great points about the siphoning of talent. Seems to me there is a tipping point where the benefit of hoarding talent get outweighed by the literal dollar cost of having them. As the stock market drops for macro reasons, this line crossed quickly and they looked at cutting staff as better than keeping them. Then once one big tech corp did a layoff, everyone else took a good look at themselves and did the same.

My point is there is no strategy outside of “make line go up”.

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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For another perspective on high-skill labor organization, also based in California, for an industry that dominates the industry of its biggest city and is also one of our nation’s most lucrative industries, let’s look to Hollywood. The Hollywood guilds should be held up as a model for high skilled labor. It’s also something tech and (and especially the gaming industry) can learn from. The WGA, for example, allows the…

I wonder how the WGA will change its tune when language models will write episodes of indistinguishable quality from human writers.

I wonder when SWEs will change their tune when the same thing will happen to them.

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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For another perspective on high-skill labor organization, also based in California, for an industry that dominates the industry of its biggest city and is also one of our nation’s most lucrative industries, let’s look to Hollywood. The Hollywood guilds should be held up as a model for high skilled labor. It’s also something tech and (and especially the gaming industry) can learn from. The WGA, for example, allows the…

The problem with this theory is that the gaming industry has to work with the Voice Actors Guild and they are a huge pain in the ass.

The hourly rate is fine. The min/max hours is fine.

The union exclusivity clause is bullshit. They won’t even allow you to use your own company’s employees to record temporary VO. It’s all or nothing.

Expo hall unions are even worse. I have to wait 30 minutes and pay someone $50 so they can plug my surge protector into a floor outlet? Thanks but no thanks.

Working in games I have had to work with different unions on several occasions. Each experience is absolutely dreadful. I’ll pass.

Edit: downvote my opinion if you think it’s bad. that’s cool. Doesn’t change that every experience I have ever had working with unions was absolutely awful.

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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I fear we're missing a bigger contextual change in the cost/benefit calculation that these people are making in regards to layoffs. For over a decade it was an absolute survival related imperative for these companies to hire as many people as possible , and to keep them from going to their competition. Google was so afraid of competition in the ads space that they bought entire companies for hundreds millions, and pa…

When there's a technological inflection point, there is a tremendous market share opportunity, so hire like crazy to win the market and then once it's solidified, either look for new markets or cut costs. All these VCs are desperately searching for these inflection points (metaverse! Web3! GPT models!) for that reason. These companies all hired like crazy because they thought COVID might have been a cultural inflecti…

Fair. The thing is they were hiring like crazy and hoovering up talent before COVID, too. Not the same exponential growth rates, but still high, and compensation packages reflected it.

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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For another perspective on high-skill labor organization, also based in California, for an industry that dominates the industry of its biggest city and is also one of our nation’s most lucrative industries, let’s look to Hollywood. The Hollywood guilds should be held up as a model for high skilled labor. It’s also something tech and (and especially the gaming industry) can learn from. The WGA, for example, allows the…

WGA west has about 10k members, whole US has about 15k. (This is from Google, please correct me if I got the wrong number.) By contrast, there are over a million people building software. Will this model scale up two orders of magnitude?

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how the WGA will change its tune when language models will write episodes of indistinguishable quality from human writers.

wow it took only one comment to make the article right, and it's not only the elite, it's even the "little people" doing a lot of the hating.

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Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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Big Tech is jus the evolution of Industrialization and the Factory.

Rather than investing in a factory that employs people to churn out widgets...

Tech is investing in a factory (software/platform) that churns out digital widgets...

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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I fear we're missing a bigger contextual change in the cost/benefit calculation that these people are making in regards to layoffs. For over a decade it was an absolute survival related imperative for these companies to hire as many people as possible , and to keep them from going to their competition. Google was so afraid of competition in the ads space that they bought entire companies for hundreds millions, and pa…

>Isn't Google worried that among the people it lays off (or fails to hire) there's someone who will finally conjure up a company that finally effectively takes marketshare from AdWords or Ad Exchange or whatever?

From my experience working at FAANG, most of the developers working at these companies are the same skill as anywhere else, they just managed to pass the interview by studying and prepping for it slightly more than the other guy

Re: Tech's Elite Hates Labor

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I love labor and do everything I can to make them productive and happy in the service of working for me. I hate labor activists who want to tell me how to run my company and antagonize workers to see themselves in some sort of power struggle with management. We are all working for the same mission - make as much money as possible. I don’t need hostile people around.

> I love labor and do everything I can to make them productive and happy in the service of working for me. > I hate labor activists who want to tell me how to run my company and antagonize workers to see themselves in some sort of power struggle with management If you're actually doing everything you can to make them productive and happy, then you won't have labor activists because they won't have anyone to rally. An…

You're forgetting that labor activists are also motivated by profit, which is not necessarily aligned with interests of labor themselves. As we've seen from the social and news media, it's relatively easy to a make people angry and jealous without improving their lives at all.
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