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Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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But, why? We WANT people to buy electric cars... It's like the patient isn't breathing, bleeding to death and the nephrologist wants us to test their kidney function.

Buying an EV and maintaining your existing driving habits is like drinking only one bottle of Jack a day while dying of liver failure.

Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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post #3
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But, why? We WANT people to buy electric cars... It's like the patient isn't breathing, bleeding to death and the nephrologist wants us to test their kidney function.

Buying an EV and maintaining your existing driving habits is like drinking only one bottle of Jack a day while dying of liver failure.

Hello r/fuckcars folks, berating people for making reasonable choices within their environment isn't a winning strategy. EVs are a legitimate incremental improvement. Sorry we don't all live a bikable wonderland with good public transit.

Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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post #3
post #2

But, why? We WANT people to buy electric cars... It's like the patient isn't breathing, bleeding to death and the nephrologist wants us to test their kidney function.

Buying an EV and maintaining your existing driving habits is like drinking only one bottle of Jack a day while dying of liver failure.

Yes, exactly! Until we have the infrastructure to end car dependence we need to reduce the harm of carbon fueled personal vehicles. Electric cars aren't the solution, but they are a pretty good bandaid.

Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying an EV and maintaining your existing driving habits is like drinking only one bottle of Jack a day while dying of liver failure.

Hello r/fuckcars folks, berating people for making reasonable choices within their environment isn't a winning strategy. EVs are a legitimate incremental improvement. Sorry we don't all live a bikable wonderland with good public transit.

I live in bikable wonderland. Good public transit is still pretty bad. Owning a car easily cuts your travel time in half even in a country with excellent transit and very car hostile policies.

Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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Isn't (battery) weight a proxy for what we really care about, energy consumption per covered distance? Seems like if you'd tax the latter, manufacturers would have more options to innovate around efficiency rather than just battery weight and provide lower-taxed vehicles. Battery weight will of course still be important to get consumption down, but perhaps there are other ways as well to make cars more efficient.

One example: a thing often overlooked is the efficiency of the onboard charger, which can incur a loss of up to 32% on for example the Renault Zoe [1].

1: https://www.lachaineev.fr/ ( french )

Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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Probably the only useful thing in the article is highlighting that some EVs are so heavy that their stopping distance from 70mph can be a much larger distance than people would expect at over 200ft. It might be safer for the driver of that heavy vehicle but a 9000 lb truck rear ending you is going to be pretty rough.

Re: Taxing the Weight of EV Batteries Would Be a Real Green Solution

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Isn't (battery) weight a proxy for what we really care about, energy consumption per covered distance? Seems like if you'd tax the latter, manufacturers would have more options to innovate around efficiency rather than just battery weight and provide lower-taxed vehicles. Battery weight will of course still be important to get consumption down, but perhaps there are other ways as well to make cars more efficient. One…

>Taxing battery weight is an indirect way to get at the underlying resource consumption in battery manufacturing and production.

Tax (curb - battery) weight then? So we can afford the 1000km vehicles we all say we need, while penalizing the heaviest and most inefficient EVs.

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