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Disney should hire her as their head of digital distribution. Putting your most passionate distributor in jail is counter-productive.
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Hugging that comment gets hated? I guess I could have expanded.
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Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
In case you missed this paragraph: "Piracy, for me is certainly not about not wanting to pay. It's about the feeling that the money I pay mostly doesn't go to creators, but to the companies in-between who doesn't deserve it. I don't want to support such an industry." Paraphrased: "I want to pay, but the creators don't get most of the money. So rather than paying, I pirate instead." This invalidates your argument.
It should be self-evident that not all people are like the author of the paragraph you cited.
It's also self-evident that I was replying to the person who wrote it, thus I made no claims about what "all people" do.
Besides which, your statement that "piracy != lost sale" is demonstrably false. You could have qualified your statement with "in some cases" or "for some people", but such a trivially true claim wouldn't add much to the discussion since the discussion is about what one person does.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
So, you think that folks who commit fraud shouldn't go to jail, presumably because "Oh god no, definitely not. Monetary damages, yes. Prison sentences for a non-violent crime, definitely not." (from the parent), but disobeying a judge deserves jail. What's violent about disobeying a judge?
It's not that it's violent, it's that you've been given an option that you've decided not to take, and then it escalates.
Yes, but selling drugs after you've been told not to is also an escalation. Are you willing to jail folks on all escalations, all judges orders, or what?
In any event, we've established that the line isn't (just) violent.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not that it's violent, it's that you've been given an option that you've decided not to take, and then it escalates.
Yes, but selling drugs after you've been told not to is also an escalation. Are you willing to jail folks on all escalations, all judges orders, or what? In any event, we've established that the line isn't (just) violent.
I guess, honestly, it all comes down to the type of crime and then the specifics of it. But what I'm saying is that I don't think first offense streaming websites deserve jail time.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's say I ran a startup and secured $20M in VC funding but had to give up 80% of the company to get that, then later had several additional large rounds of financing which diluted my ownership to 5%. Would you rip off my company's products/services because you feel I'm not getting most of the profit? I'm curious to know how the two situations differ. In both cases, parties have entered into contractual agreements t…
piracy != lost sale. If you get 0 cents with piracy, you will get the same 0 cents without it.
Just because it's not a lost sale, that makes it right? It's right that some people have to pay for it and some don't (just because one would buy it and one wouldn't)?
Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison
#146Can anyone give clear info on what NinjaVideo was, I did some research and I can't seem to tell for sure if they were actually hosting these videos or just linking to them? It sounds like maybe they were linking to them on the NinjaVideo site but also posting copyrighted content elsewhere and then linking to it? I'm just trying to understand what they were doing to have it get to this level of punishment and attentio…
They were uploading movies to megavideo and streaming them through divx using a plugin.
Difference between Ninjavideo and most other streaming sites is they didn't even try to hide behind safe harbor. Only people who could post links were staff and a handful of trusted uploaders. They plastered banners all over the front page advertising new movies (like "new dvd rip out today woot!"). Talked constantly about how they were pirates.
Even Piratebay comes of as timid and diplomatic. It was just a matter of time before something really bad was going to happen.
EDIT: They weren't just linking to videos, but admitting to uploading them.
Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison
#147Can anyone give clear info on what NinjaVideo was, I did some research and I can't seem to tell for sure if they were actually hosting these videos or just linking to them? It sounds like maybe they were linking to them on the NinjaVideo site but also posting copyrighted content elsewhere and then linking to it? I'm just trying to understand what they were doing to have it get to this level of punishment and attentio…
They were uploading movies to megavideo and streaming them through divx using a plugin. Difference between Ninjavideo and most other streaming sites is they didn't even try to hide behind safe harbor. Only people who could post links were staff and a handful of trusted uploaders. They plastered banners all over the front page advertising new movies (like "new dvd rip out today woot!"). Talked constantly about how the…
Thanks for the info, I really was in the dark about what they were doing and it had me a little scared as I was initially under the impression that it was a site where users were just posting links to content and I couldn't fathom how that would lead to jail sentences for the founders.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
She ;) I think the whole thing is disgusting and wrong. And I think that she was railroaded off because of the views she expressed post-sentencing--they were trying to make an example of her and "send waves through this community"* and she was standing up and taking it while disagreeing instead of bending over and whimpering with remorse. It's cruel, disproportionate, unjust and, frankly, mentally ill. This is not wh…
Have an up vote (Natsu too) because you are both getting grayed out, even though your responses to mine are perfectly civil and reasonable. I wish people would reserve down votes for comments that are expressed offensively or are blatantly off topic.
Thanks.
I also want to thank you for registering disagreement even when HN leans the other way. A critical voice helps you see what parts of your arguments are weak or which need to be rethought entirely.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
You were correctly downvoted for you posted a stupid question -- just because it is illegal doesn't make it wrong. And only wrong things should be punished.
I would love to hear your explanation on why piracy is not wrong! That was the exact purpose of the question, so others would share their views on the matter and I would have an enlightened view.
Flip the question on its head: why is piracy considered wrong? What is the specific, provable harm that it does? Is it true to say that there is no benefit to it? If there is a benefit, is the benefit to society greater than the harm to the creator? If there is no benefit to it, why does it happen? Does the cost of fighting it outweigh the harm done? What is the cost of fighting the fight if you disagree?
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but selling drugs after you've been told not to is also an escalation. Are you willing to jail folks on all escalations, all judges orders, or what? In any event, we've established that the line isn't (just) violent.
I guess, honestly, it all comes down to the type of crime and then the specifics of it. But what I'm saying is that I don't think first offense streaming websites deserve jail time.
Why didn't you say that at the beginning? (Yes, I'm interested in the answer.)