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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by captaincaveman »

aembleton wrote: post #593
Denzel wrote: post #520

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All these conversations have one glaring omission. As it stands right now, ChatGPT is a net negative on the ecosystem it exists in. What does that mean? ChatGPT extracts value from the ecosystem by hoovering up primary sources to provide answers, but what value does ChatGPT give back to these primary sources? What incentivizes content creators to continue producing for ChatGPT? Right now, nothing. ChatGPT (or its des…

> but what value does ChatGPT give back to these primary sources? The dissemination of their thoughts and ideas.

Unattributed thoughts I'm not convinced that is giving back, further I do think this is susceptible to attack, how many flat earth articles do I need to pump out for chatGPT to consume and come to very wrong conclusions?

Perhaps there are some mitigations for this I'm unaware of?

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by WithinReason »

jhoelzel wrote: post #888
arbol wrote: post #875

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I use github copilot to create simple functions by typing the function name and copilot does the rest. This works reasonably well for basic stuff. It becomes unhelpful and starts creating incorrect paths to library functions as soon as you add your work context.

That is in fact the elephant in the room: you will most likely never be able to actually use it for complex stuff because of the token limits required for ai. Imagine analyzing a massive code base, sure it can tell you how you where solving function ex by translating it to natural language, but it still does not understand any of it. As far as i know, training it on your dataset will not improve this.

Increasing the token limit is a solvable problem

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

#893

Post by lofaszvanitt »

bzbee10 wrote: post #874

Here's a concrete scenario: StackOverflow makes money because people go to it for answers to their questions. The answers are provided by people who write them because they get points for providing good answers, that they use for reputation points to get good jobs. It's an ecosystem. Everybody profits. Now Google scrapes the contents, and provides a service where you just ask your question and it gives the best, most…

Here is where the loot anything you see wild west kinda approach will break down.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by alvah »

senthilnayagam wrote: post #762
mritchie712 wrote: post #315

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As someone using OpenAI in production, I can attest to the lack of stability and consistent performance in the current offering. Depending on the time of the day (and who knows what else), the same calls to GPT3 can take from 500ms to 15 seconds.

chatgpt launched about 2 months back and have over 100 million users, they have secured funding from microsoft so they are going to optimise and scale its infrastructure. go for their paid offering if latency is bothering you

Parent is clearly making API calls to GPT3, which isn't really comparable to using ChatGPT (paid or unpaid) via a browser.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by bzbee10 »

nathanyukai wrote: post #886
bzbee10 wrote: post #874

Here's a concrete scenario: StackOverflow makes money because people go to it for answers to their questions. The answers are provided by people who write them because they get points for providing good answers, that they use for reputation points to get good jobs. It's an ecosystem. Everybody profits. Now Google scrapes the contents, and provides a service where you just ask your question and it gives the best, most…

The most accurate answer might still not be correct, so they'll still go to stackoverflow to ask new ones, thus keeping the pipeline alive ?

But if the traffic to SO is reduced significantly because of Google, there will be a death spiral. There wouldn't be a site to go and ask new questions, and even if the site is still there, nobody will bother to answer. The core problem is that the people who create the new knowledge (the answer writers) and the people who aggregate the knowledge (StackOverflow) will not get any concrete return for their efforts, since they are cut out of the consumption loop.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by captaincaveman »

brookst wrote: post #801
ehzy wrote: post #627

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With no attribution or way to discover the source. That's great for propagandists but maybe less great for everyone else.

When a real person tells you something in person today, how do you know the original source?

Well that person has reputation/credibility and some reasoning they apply, before passing on the information. Just because you read that the world is flat are you gonna start telling people that? Now let's be clear, some people do mindlessly regurgitate nonsense, but their creditability is typically very low, so you ignore them. There is a grey area where some things aren't clear, but on the basics people of average intelligence are fairly robust, I'm not convinced chatGPT is.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by jhoelzel »

WithinReason wrote: post #892
jhoelzel wrote: post #888

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That is in fact the elephant in the room: you will most likely never be able to actually use it for complex stuff because of the token limits required for ai. Imagine analyzing a massive code base, sure it can tell you how you where solving function ex by translating it to natural language, but it still does not understand any of it. As far as i know, training it on your dataset will not improve this.

Increasing the token limit is a solvable problem

Sure we just need next level super computers for these large models and the patience of multiple days to wait for output

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by daniel-cussen »

vineyardmike wrote: post #721
s3p wrote: post #399

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I think this is the same type of thinking that people had when they think technology will "steal" jobs, when in reality we have lower and lower unemployment as time goes on. Most likely this will not actually happen, and even if it did your content would still be valuable as an AI is analyzing it in a more nuanced way than just looking for keywords. Which, by the way, is exactly what search engines do.

> I think this is the same type of thinking that people had when they think technology will "steal" jobs, when in reality we have lower and lower unemployment as time goes on. Technical changes do kill jobs. We always find a way to invent jobs, of course, but that doesn't mean old jobs aren't viable. Movie theaters once employed professional musicians, not they don't, because movies have audio built in. Obviously a n…

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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by WithinReason »

jhoelzel wrote: post #897
WithinReason wrote: post #892

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Increasing the token limit is a solvable problem

Sure we just need next level super computers for these large models and the patience of multiple days to wait for output

Increasing the token limit without needing more resources to run the network is a solvable problem

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by captaincaveman »

bilbo0s wrote: post #623
mochomocha wrote: post #536

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"Native advertising 2.0"

And the best part? All the money goes to Google! No more sharing with websites where Google Ads appear. They can even autogenerate youtube channels explaining popular or trending topics. Which of course, they will know, because they'll own search and AI generation. So there will also be no more paying a large portion of youtubers. People who explain topical subject matter on youtube could, if Google chose, be elimina…

> All the money goes to Google!

That's an aspect I hadn't considered, nor heard anyone else suggest!

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