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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

> The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). The Tic Tac UFO? That's probably one of the best explained events (debunked). Short answer is that there was sense misreading and a gimbal lock. Some people even simulated it[0]. I wouldn't call this an elaborate hoax, but an optical illusion and an event that took some expertise to understand. Expertise that a pilot wouldn't have. I should add that finding that link was nontrivial.…

Mick West is a layman; a former software engineer. Not sure why you would trust his "expertise" over one of America's top pilots. Also I strongly question West's biases. His whole schtick is saying everything is a hoax and heres why; this leads to confirmation bias when your conclusion is that it is an optical illusion from the onset of the investigation.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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The Nimitz event is far from “debunked”. We have multiple naval aviator eye witnesses of the physical object, with testimony (fravor and the female wingman, I forget her name) We have testimony of the Princeton’s AEGIS radar operator that these things were “popping in at 80k feet and dropping to sea level in a few seconds”, that “they disappear on radar and the sub would get a ping in the same area tracking 200+ knot…

> The Nimitz event is far from “debunked”. But he googled $Event + Debunked and watched 2 minutes of the first explanation that came up. Mick West said it's debunked so it must be so, after all, any good skeptic will click the first link and believe any debunk instantly because that's the science way^tm

It is rather ironic

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Its speculation that it was sensor glare, boke etc. Hardly convincing at all considering its some YouTuber basing his research on grainy video. Speculation that also does not factor in multi eye witness accounts and radar measurements.

I know of eye witnesses that have seen a pig fly, and I have data that shows pigs can fly. Clearly this means pigs can fly.

If all of our pilots said they saw pigs fly then it wouldn't seem so crazy.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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According to your reasoning, black holes, neutron stars, and gravitational waves were also like gods and angels before we found physical evidence for them. This is a weak argument. You can doubt the existence of intelligent aliens. But they obviously aren’t in the same category as religious beliefs. On the other hand, assuming we are somehow special and must be the only intelligent life is quite in line with religiou…

> According to your reasoning, black holes, neutron stars, and gravitational waves were also like gods and angels before we found physical evidence for them. This is a weak argument. Nah. All of those were things that there were specific reason to believe based on theory and evidence. But it can be a fine line. Look at how quickly quantum mechanics went from abstruse high theory to being used to support absolute woo.…

Again, according to your argument, because some people employ quantum physics in pseudoscience and woo, that makes quantum physics like religion.

Sorry, you’re just wrong. The possibility of intelligent aliens is on firm scientific ground, which is why we have projects like SETI running. Aliens aren’t like gods or angels, regardless of how many times you repeat it. Certain people might treat them that way, just like people abuse all kinds of scientific concepts. That doesn’t merit a categorical dismissal.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Why does it have to be off world tech? Take a smartphone back enough years and people are going to be similarly blown away. Also you act like the science and the laws are settled but we all know science doesn't work like that. New discoveries happen all the time its that for the laws of physics those changes don't happen often. What laws of physics revelations will the next Newton or Einstein offer us?

For a smartphone to be fundamentally unexplainable by relevant experts one would have to go back more than 100-200 years, I think. The first trans Atlantic radio transmission was in 1902, for example. Though I guess even the experts of the day might struggle to believe that the device is practically realizable, since it probably would defy many a conception of what is doable (if not theorically possible). There are s…

> There are some things now that seem impossible, which in 200 years might be commonplace.

Like flying very fast without producing a shockwave and only leaking some residual light and heat?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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> According to your reasoning, black holes, neutron stars, and gravitational waves were also like gods and angels before we found physical evidence for them. This is a weak argument. Nah. All of those were things that there were specific reason to believe based on theory and evidence. But it can be a fine line. Look at how quickly quantum mechanics went from abstruse high theory to being used to support absolute woo.…

Again, according to your argument, because some people employ quantum physics in pseudoscience and woo, that makes quantum physics like religion. Sorry, you’re just wrong. The possibility of intelligent aliens is on firm scientific ground, which is why we have projects like SETI running. Aliens aren’t like gods or angels, regardless of how many times you repeat it. Certain people might treat them that way, just like…

You really don't seem to be getting my argument. Indeed, you don't seem to be trying.

I never said the possibility of aliens somewhere in the universe and somewhere in time was scientifically impossible. Indeed, I've said the opposite, something you seem dedicated to missing if you're still acting otherwise.

I am specifically saying that there's no scientific justification for using aliens as an explanatory device for things that are happening right here on earth. That's just fantasy.

I obviously don't think quantum mechanics is like religion when it's in the hands of Paul Dirac. But I do think it's effectively religion in the hands of Deepak Chopra. Similarly, I don't think the SETI folks are religious kooks, but I do think UFO cultists are.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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What's a CCD error? And how does the CCD know which way you're pointing it to know where to inject the fake UFO?

Remember, the objects display "impossible" nonlinear flight trajectories. So I hardly think "which way is up" matters at this point. CCDs aren't used much these days. But the principle is the same: if you think any kind of digital sensor behind a camera is an error-free input source, I have a UFO detector to sell you..

I never said it was an error-free input source, I'm asking for an explanation of how the sensor creates the kind of alleged artifact that you see in these videos. It's extremely low-effort to say "well it's probably ", I expect a higher standard on HN.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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All these UFO photographs, all of which are fuzzy smears. With the ubiquity of excellent cameras, why aren't there any in-focus, sharp photos of them? We all know the answer.

The easy answer is that they are all piloted by Bigfoot who is himself surrounded by a blurry cloud like Pigpen in Charlie Brown land thus blurring everything in his vicinity.

The hard but most correct answer is that though many people routinely carry devices with cameras with them everywhere they go, when an event like many described occurs it takes time for someone to get the device into camera mode, focus the camera onto an object or event that could be in motion towards or away from them creating significant issues for the sensors in tracking and focusing past things like window screens, leaves on trees in the foreground, infrastructure in the near field hampering focusing on smaller objects in the farfield, etc.

I have a device that I carry with me that purportedly has a great camera. Yet, in spite of the technological marvel that I have in my pocket, I have on many occasions attempted to take photos of simple everyday objects like birds migrating over my property, insects in my garden, etc that should be easy. Instead I have an impressive collection of out-of-focused photos because it turns out that even with the best sensors and excellent optics it is not trivial to get the sensor to understand which element in the field of view it is supposed to focus on without making some effort to assist it.

I am willing to wager that most people who have these devices, like myself, are not trained photographers and that this fact explains why most photos are poorly focused and have no cultural data that allows one to estimate size or other physical characteristics.

I photograph air shows when they have them at the nearby airbase because planes are cool and I grew up near a large military installation where the air was filled with the sounds of helicopters, jets, and artillery practice way back when the Vietnam War was still a thing. As a kid it was cool to see all this and as an adult it is still cool. The last time the Blue Angels came to town I took hundreds of photos using an fairly ordinary digital camera with lots of megapixels and great digital zoom that works well for shots that are easy to compose. Of the photos that I took from a vantage point less than half a mile horizontally and with the jets passing a few hundred above the terrain I ended up with a handful that are truly well focused and worth showing off. I blame the photographer, not the camera. I also suspect that most of the other people in the crowd that day also have a similar uncomfortably large collection of slightly out of focus photos of objects flying past them on a clear, cloudless day.

To me, the absence of clear photos of any of this is explained by the context that the photographer was operating in at the moment - attempting to take a photo of something they considered strange, exciting, or extraordinary while keeping it in the field of view of the camera, adjusting focus and zoom, etc.

My own bias, since we all have biases or we would not offer and defend opinions so freely, many times with very little supporting evidence, is to believe that something has been happening globally for a long time that is worth studying so that we can all understand why it is happening. I will keep the popcorn popping and enjoy reading any updates or debates and if I get lucky to live long enough to see a clear photo and a definite answer then I will consider that bucket list item crossed out.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Do people generally randomly hallucinate things? We don't get reports of flying spaghetti monsters. Only shiny craft in the sky. Perhaps people only hallucinate things that are on a certain level socially-acceptable to hallucinate?

Well, I don't think "lights in the sky" are a particular socially acceptable thing to hallucinate; I'm not sure seeing things that others don't believe were there is ever particularly socially acceptable. But it's still pretty common. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/hallucinations-wha... As to "why shiny craft in the sky", we get patterns of light in the -vast- majority of situations. We have an optical sys…

By this logic you can discredit anything people see. People commonly see cows. But, people also hallucinate orbs in the sky, so cows don't necessarily exist, do they?

So, back to my original point, if we focus on the relative number of sightings of two things, and exclude random other things, there's still a huge number of sightings of "shiny metal objects in the sky" compared (relatively) to "flying spaghetti-and-meatballs monster in the sky".

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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One hypothesis for why keep it hidden: if true it's existentially terrifying and we can't do shit about it anyway, so why worry everyone? Even if you don't agree with the logic, it's not a difficult viewpoint to imagine.

> Even if you don't agree with the logic, it's not a difficult viewpoint to imagine. So is it a secret all governments and all fighter pilots worldwide are keeping? And if so why are they still keeping this secret when there are seemingly no consequences in leaking top secret information about the most significant discovery in human history to the media? Of course, the alternative here is that just a select few US fi…

I didn't say I believe any of that, I just said it's pretty easy to come up with a motive for keeping it a secret. You read much, much more into my comment than was actually said.
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