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Bard and new AI features in Search
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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#782Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…
> Imagine no one actually reads web sites. Instead a blog post to share an opinion, I'll probably want to make sure my opinion gets picked up by the language model. How do I do that? Computed knowledge may render many websites and blogs obsolete. Realising that has made me wonder why I should bother write anything publicly accessible online. Aside from pure altruism and love for my fellow human, or some unexplainable…
> What do I stand to gain from it
The AI will absorb your words, and some small part of you will gain immortality. In some small but very real way, you'll live forever, some part of you ensconced safely for all eternity in a handful of vectors deep inside a pile of inscrutable matrices.
...at least, until some CEO lays off that whole team to juice the stock price.
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#783Being the first to achieve something does not make you a winner. This lesson has been taught countless times in tech from Yahoo to MySpace yet people believe OpenAI has won.
Google’s post assured me they were first.
But yes, first movers don’t always win. They have an advantage when there are network effects, but there’s a lot more to it.
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#784I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…
Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…
> What is the motivation to write a blog post by then?
LLM’s have done a poor job with attribution and provenance, but that will change.
At some point, it becomes a bit like academia or celebrity: your motivation to write is the social exposure your writing earns, which leads to real world opportunities like jobs or sponsorships or whatnot.
And the great/terrible thing is that these models will know whose opinions are influencing others. The upside is that spam disappears if human nature changes and nobody is influenced by spammers. The downside is. . . Spam and content become totally inseperable.
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#785Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's that clearcut. These AI queries are resource intensive. Google will have to cut a fine line between quality and profit margin. If it's no good people just won't bother and it won't gain traction. The searches we make are already analyzed and all models tend to use billions of parameters anyway, even self generated. Google also are limited by their risk aversion, as seen in this extremely sanitized…
> These AI queries are resource intensive. But perhaps only for now. When youtube first started taking off, Google was bleeding cash on the resources needed to support it. Perhaps the same will be true for LLMs.
It's still unclear if YouTube is actually profitable.
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#786Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right now, "well behaved" means "crudely beaten into submission". I can only imagine what kind of horrible stuff future AI products will do if we keep twisting them into giving "friendly" output https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1622407343358214146
I can easily believe that it's a real ChatGPT convo, but the question is, how many times did they have to try it before getting that output? This is what I got on the first try: https://i.imgur.com/5CNUm9l.png I regenerated that response several times, and every single time it was something along these lines. I also tried it with the original prompt in that screenshot used verbatim with similar results. Looking at ot…
OpenAI also seems pretty on-the-ball about playing whack-a-mole with certain embarrassing responses. I've seen it first-hand where I can get it to reliably do something embarrassing after someone mentions it on twitter, but a day or two later it's "patched".
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#787Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…
> Imagine no one actually reads web sites. Instead a blog post to share an opinion, I'll probably want to make sure my opinion gets picked up by the language model. How do I do that? Computed knowledge may render many websites and blogs obsolete. Realising that has made me wonder why I should bother write anything publicly accessible online. Aside from pure altruism and love for my fellow human, or some unexplainable…
Some of us find that writing things down helps us form and test opinions. And hopefully there will always* be a market for new explanations of novel ideas, before they are well enough understood for LLMs to do a better job.
* I figure I’ve got about 25 years left, so always = 25 years. Good luck, kids.
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#788Imagining a scenario where Satya Nadella/microsoft outpays Sundar Pichai/google to Tim Cook/Apple to become default search engine on iphone and macs.
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#789Google doesn't have a good track record of delivering over the last few years (maybe they've gotten too bloated and complacent), so what comes next is not set in stone (BingPT FTW?). We live in interesting times indeed...
Re: Bard and new AI features in Search
#790Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Imagine no one actually reads web sites. Instead a blog post to share an opinion, I'll probably want to make sure my opinion gets picked up by the language model. How do I do that? Computed knowledge may render many websites and blogs obsolete. Realising that has made me wonder why I should bother write anything publicly accessible online. Aside from pure altruism and love for my fellow human, or some unexplainable…
> What do I stand to gain from it The AI will absorb your words, and some small part of you will gain immortality. In some small but very real way, you'll live forever, some part of you ensconced safely for all eternity in a handful of vectors deep inside a pile of inscrutable matrices. ...at least, until some CEO lays off that whole team to juice the stock price.
That sort of thing always felt meaningless to me.
Sure I could carve my name or a blog post into a cave wall… so what.
“Some small part” of me doesn’t live on.
Even some small part of Aristotle or Cleopatra doesn’t live on. Ideas and stories live, but people die.
The death of personality is currently total and final.
I don’t know why Billionaires don’t invest their entire fortunes into research on reversing this.