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Post by spacephysics »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

Work is being done to create essentially dev ops pipelines for faster model iterations. This requires a lot of infrastructure from the dev ops side, to the software itself.

Further, depending on the nature of data used, this would make such changes more complex (ex PII)

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Post by xnx »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

I believe Google has dealt with a similar problem early in its history. In the early 2000's Google's PageRank values had to be calculated all at once (approximately monthly). Later they were able to move to a continuous/incremental/rolling update.

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Post by rushingcreek »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

https://phind.com (YC S22) uses LLMs grounded in internet contexts to answer questions.

There's an interesting tradeoff between grounding LLM answers in web contexts and answering questions from parametric memory like ChatGPT. The former is more accurate and verifiable, but the latter can be more creative and specific to you.

We will have both of those answers soon. (Disclaimer: I am the co-founder).

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by eclipxe »

badestrand wrote: post #272
wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

> what am I missing? Why would a chatbot like ChatGPT disrupt Google vs forcing Google to simply evolve. Because it's not clear yet whether anyone else can currently develop a chatbot interface as capable as ChatGPT. For many ChatGPT is already replacing a lot of Google searches so G needs to hurry.

For many? Citation needed. Yes there is a lot of hype, but is it really replacing a lot of Google searches, if so is that your anecdote or is there data here?

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Post by moffkalast »

jjeaff wrote: post #149
CabSauce wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's good for users, potentially. But not good for the sites where google is sourcing the information.

Potentially good for users initially. But I can't see how anyone will be incentivized to create and post content for Google to scrape if they won't have any traffic from Google. It could actually be a huge benefit in some ways if it chokes out the content mills. However, something tells me that they have little to no overhead compared to the people who actually toil away to post good, original content.

This may actually be fantastic for the web. The current incentives are terrible anyway: cheat, scam and SEO your way to the first search result page and then do whatever since you'll get visits and decent ad revenue regardless of content.

Most people that make good content don't make it for money anyway. Did people back in the pre-google days think "oh I'd make this site but gosh darn there's nobody to pay me for it". They just went and made the site regardless.

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Post by galleywest200 »

deltree7 wrote: post #402
alain94040 wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…

Delusional to think Ads work only on Keywords. Where there is human attention, there will always be ads. The more context, the better ads.

The ads need to be served in context to a conversation and cannot just pollute a search page like they do now. Ads now are easy, dumb things.

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Post by spacephysics »

It’s a testament of how worried Google is about ChatGPT if they’ve sprung up a soon to be public version of the service themselves. I’m sure timelines were quickly shortened post OpenAI’s ChatGPT version update/launch

This is exciting stuff. We’re starting to see the wheels of AI competition spin fast as they race for first mass adoption. This is the fun phase, that’s beneficial (typically) for all. Quick iterations, competing for more bang for your buck for end consumers soon

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Post by kennethh »

kanwisher wrote: post #284
killjoywashere wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers…

OpenAI already has the infrastructure Azure and Bing. Microsoft has a bigger public cloud then google

The public cloud is probably a small part of the Google Infrastructure.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by tonymet »

jklinger410 wrote: post #260
tonymet wrote: post #246

AI fact summarization like this will further obfuscate the facts from the summary. People already believe the top 3 posts from Google are the benchmark for truth. Now customers won't even see the sources (e.g. MSNBC, Wikipedia) of the "facts". Google is deliberately biasing results in the name of ML-fairness, which may be laudable. Now the bias will be even harder to distinguish from fact.

Just because AI will tell you answers does not mean it will do away with citation.

it will mean that citation is less obvious because the user will no longer engage with the source material (by clocking a link to read it )

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Post by sfjailbird »

It used to be that Google would find search results on the web and send you there. They were good at it. Good for content creators, good for users.

Then they started scraping the destination pages and present the answer right there on Google's own results page. No traffic for you. Well at least there was a link.

Now they take it one step further, and just steal the content and feed it into their gargantuan pattern matcher, to be spit out to users in a remixed form, swirled up with a bunch of similarly scraped content from the open web. Great for Google, RIP content creators.

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