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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by coliveira »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

The reason is that high amount of usage is itself disruptive. The same way Google has an advantage of receiving 90%+ of search requests, ChatGPT has the advantage of being tested with millions of requests per day. If Google cannot test a similar AI technology with the public, it will hardly get results that are comparable with ChatGPT.

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Post by stcroixx »

They burned a bridge already and it's too late now. People will be less likely to use whatever AI they release as we'll just assume it's trying to financially exploit us like they did with search and gmail. Mass adoption will never happen because of their spoiled reputation.

Google will not be at the center of the AI future. Watch them get even more user hostile as they realize this and cling to their ad business even harder.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by lstodd »

serf wrote: post #359
lstodd wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>Ye, u got a brain no? Go learn some hıstory. artificial intelligence as a concept is at least as old as 300-400BC. Government corruption as a meme goes much further back. I wouldn't be so quick to consider someone 'without brain' for having inadequate movie trivia knowledge; nor would I consider encyclopedic knowledge of movie trivia to be evidence of knowing history. I don't know where the 'bureaucratic to a fault'…

I do fault people for not knowing shit that was screaming in their faces for at least a hundred years and an half.

I do fault them for ignoring it since it's about they did understand that this is what was going on.

Do not attempt to whitewash persons as some anonymous 'members of public'. A decision to not think is a decision none the less.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by notahacker »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #344
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

> ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021 I think this could be a feature. Things on the internet have a life cycle. After a while they can be altered to fit various agendas or just drowned out by seo nonsense. Seeing an immutable snapshot in time mi…

For a chatbot, it's a feature.

For the large proportion of search queries that are "give me context for $newsitem", "what is $latestthing", "what is $celebrity up to", "can you solve my problem with the latest version of x" it's a show stopping bug (frankly Google weighting established content higher in most contexts is already an issue for the last of those queries: Googling error messages etc). And at least all the SEO'd "Best Items In $CurrentYear" articles that aren't that up to date attempt to look current

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Post by Keyframe »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #304

Question for AI experts out there: ChatGPT is awesome, but it is obviously hamstrung by the fact that it crawled the web at the end of 2021, so all of its data is essentially "frozen" and it doesn't "know" of any topics that occurred after 2021. Seems to me like the next "holy grail" in large language models is building a model that can be continually updated. If Google can achieve that, I think they could leapfrog O…

That's where google's angle is. Not only did they spearhead all of these, and sat on it for years now, they also have an up-to-date copy of internet.zip vs OpenAI's and others limited common crawl and other data sets.

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Post by scarmig »

dougmwne wrote: post #293
killjoywashere wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers…

You are missing the Microsoft partnership. MS has a 48% stake in OpenAI and provides all the infrastructure through Azure, including purpose built machines for model training. Microsoft has also launched GitHub Copilot, summarization features in Teams, and is widely reported to be adding GPT features to Bing.

Google has far more resources for training models and inference. Likely more than all their nearest competitors combined.

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Post by pphysch »

gchokov wrote: post #279
asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Sundar did nothing but failed projects. Google is still where it was many years ago.

My Google phone can instantly translate almost any foreign language, embedded in an image, without an internet connection. Pretty sure that was not a thing 8 years ago.

If/when Google embeds an (local and/or lightweight) Bard model into every Pixel phone, that will be a game-changer.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by rchaud »

Anybody remember how we used to learn new words and build our vocabulary? Perhaps it went something like:

"What does this word mean"?

"Look it up in the dictionary"

"Why can't you just tell me??"

I remember the hassle of looking things up in a paper dictionary. Over the long term, it massively helped improve my ability to not just recall a simple definition, but also learn new words, as they were adjacent to what I was looking for.

It's effectively this hassle ChatGPT and Bard are 'solving'. Instead of a group of links that you'd personally evaluate and mentally rank in terms of usefulness (thereby building your own bullshit detector over time), you will now have a chatbot AIsplaining things to you like you were a 12-year old, regardless of the topic's complexity.

I'll admit I was concerned about about Grammarly.com ruining people's ability to learn to write. That pales in comparison to an opaque search engine promising to give you the keys to all of human knowledge.

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Post by s3p »

alain94040 wrote: post #388
wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

Those new language models are "Google killers" because they reset all the assumptions that people have made about search for several decades. Imagine that people start using those chat bots massively as a replacement for Google search. Then the notion of keyword disappears. Google AdSense becomes mostly irrelevant. Of course, Google is a giant today with a history of machine learning innovation. So they have a good c…

I think this is the same type of thinking that people had when they think technology will "steal" jobs, when in reality we have lower and lower unemployment as time goes on.

Most likely this will not actually happen, and even if it did your content would still be valuable as an AI is analyzing it in a more nuanced way than just looking for keywords. Which, by the way, is exactly what search engines do.

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