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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by ekanes »

asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Meh. Enthusiasm about Larry Page's ultimate goals and dreams went out the window right about the time don't be evil went out the window.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by par »

asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

Meh, lot's of corporations have had all kinds of outlandish visions. I don't think this one is any more or less aligned with any other vision statement from 20+ years ago. They're just capitalizing on the technology that's available at the time, like any good company should be doing.

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Post by ThrowawayB7 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

> "Microsoft missed the arrival of the web."

How did Microsoft miss the arrival of the web and have the dominant web browser for years?

> "Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share."

That's kind of disrespectful to the competitors who duked it out during the pre-iPhone phase of the mobile revolution. Microsoft competed with and defeated Palm Computing, the market leader, and others in the marketplace to become the top dog in PDAs and smartphones around the release of Windows Mobile 5 and 6. They didn't "miss" anything.

Apple, to their credit, managed to hit the right combination of timing and consumer appeal that they swept everyone away, Microsoft, Blackberry (remember them?), and what was left of Palm. The iPhone would probably have killed Palm even if they'd managed to fend of Microsoft.

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Post by kanwisher »

killjoywashere wrote: post #267
wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

I don't think most people realize how much infrastructure separates something like ChatGPT from Google-scale deployment. OpenAI isn't suddenly building transoceanic fiber and datacenters near most major population centers. They aren't signing production-ready contract vehicles with most major OEMs and governments. And in the gap it would take a new entrant to acquire 10% of those assets, Google has 100,000 engineers…

OpenAI already has the infrastructure Azure and Bing. Microsoft has a bigger public cloud then google

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Post by roody15 »

lstodd wrote: post #257
asim wrote: post #224

People forget that Larry Page's ultimate goal was to have Google predict what you wanted before you even asked for it. This isn't about hype. This isn't about beating the competition. This is about delivering on a 3 decade dream that's now coming to fruition and Sundar just happens to be the one leading the org as it manifests in the real world. We're going to end up with 10+ vertically integrated AI solutions like t…

This "core inrastructure for the world" wıll also be maintained about as well as HVAC in the seminal film Brazil

Imagine a government controlled AI that partners with mega corporations to "assist" AI in getting you the "correct" results you desire. Call me a pessimist but we may already be staring down the gun of a dystopian future

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Post by ilaksh »

unethical_ban wrote: post #191

It is absolutely critical for our society that this technology, at its full power, be developed open source to the public. That presents dangers to society. Educating citizens on the ubiquity of human-like text being generated by bots is one challenge. Knowing that bad actors will be able to use these models for evil is another. "Write a convincing 10 page manifesto on the dangers this religious minority poses to soc…

Good point on open source. False about "good" and "evil".

The most dangerous thing for society is perpetuating the idea of good and evil because that is what motivates war and terrorism. It is used as propaganda to make conflicts into moral issue and justify mass killing. What do you think the terrorists are fighting against? Evil (in their minds).

The real problem is that there are different worldviews and political groups, a lack of metacognition about this, and governments or dissident groups using this to enable their propaganda to further their political causes.

Worldview and group membership are tied together to a large degree.

Also as far as being open source, we already have open source GPT systems. The problem is that the most powerful models require dataset sizes that cannot currently train or run on normal GPU setups. Only a few companies have the infrastructure for it.

Eventually we will get more efficient models, and/or possibly a way to do it with decentralized GPU mesh (assuming that's possible), and/or memristor manufacturing will start scaling up which will make it possible to run these large models on consumer hardware someday.

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

wiremine wrote: post #232

I agree this is bland corporate speak. But it reminded me of a question that's been floating around: A number of pundits, here on HN and elsewhere, keep referring to these large language models are "google killers." This just doesn't make sense to me. It feels like Google can easily pivot its ad engine to work with the AI-driven chat systems. It can augment answers with links to additional sources of information, be…

I guess a couple of reasons:

1) Because it is disruptive. Things may get shook up, and Google may not end up in as exclusive position as they are currently in. There's risk.

2) Because it's not obvious how advertising would fit in with a conversational interface. Google may stay as #1 search/answer engine, but would revenue be adversely affected?

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Post by enneff »

lolinder wrote: post #258
enneff wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both companies have been doing AI work for a long time. Do you really think google is behind on AI here just because they haven’t released any products? What do they stand to gain by pushing out half-baked toys? They have nothing to prove.

Google isn't Apple. Google's strategy for the last 10 years at least has been to throw out half baked products and see what takes off. If they had anything usable, we would know by now. And, on the contrary, Google has everything to prove. ChatGPT exploited a years-long dissatisfaction with Google search and has millions of people using it in lieu of Google's primary product. This is the most existential threat that…

You’re living in a fantasy land. If I had a major criticism of Google in the past decade it’s that they don’t release early or often enough.

If you think people are dissatisfied with google search then you’re missing the point that people don’t think about google search at all, they just reflexively use it all day. I don’t know anyone who uses chatgpt with such frequency or in a way that is so central to their daily life, and I have a much more tech-savvy circle of friends than most people.

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Post by andrewstuart »

ThrowawayB7 wrote: post #283
andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

> " Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. " How did Microsoft miss the arrival of the web and have the dominant web browser for years? > " Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. " That's kind of disrespectful to the competitors who duked it out during the pre-iPhone phase of the mobile revolution. Microsoft competed with and defeated Palm Computing,…

>> How did Microsoft miss the arrival of the web and have the leading web browser for years?

That's a well known part of computing history. https://www.inc-aus.com/tess-townsend/what-bill-gates-got-wr...

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by throwaway4233 »

I do not follow regularly on the ads market and technology around it, so I might be asking a question with an obvious answer.

What is changing here as a user for me ? I search on Google for `x` or `y` and it shows me a list of resources available on the internet. I scour through them and pick a link that relates to what I am looking for.

> you’ll see AI-powered features in Search that distill complex information and multiple perspectives into easy-to-digest formats.

How would Google or it's AI know what are the right answers, it can distill and provide me with ? Will the crawled content be filtered based on what Google perceives to be the right answer ? And wouldn't that force governments to ask for more controlling power in what content the AI serves ?

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