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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by jliptzin »

andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

Plenty of cases where you just want to type something in a search box and see a bunch of different options - like shopping. Let’s say you’re in the market for a keyboard. Would you ask ChatGPT what’s the best keyboard on the market right now, and just buy that? I wouldn’t. I want to see a few different options and I‘m not even someone who enjoys shopping. Where there’s a list of options to display, google will have plenty of room to throw their ads in. If anything Amazon is more of a threat to google, if all online shopping ends up there.

I can search for, find, and order virtually anything I want in less than a minute. Unless an AI is going to anticipate exactly what I need, order it for me, and have it delivered before I even think about it, I don’t see these two things competing much.

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Post by lolinder »

enneff wrote: post #121
dougmwne wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing concrete available today because Google is scrambling to get ahead of a major announcement from Microsoft on integrating GPT into Bing. Internal sources from MS are saying it might be the first we see of GPT-4.

Why do you say google is scrambling when they have been working on AI stuff just as impressive as OpenAI, which you could spin differently to say Microsoft “scrambled” to make a partnership with and are now attempting to cram GPT into their tech stack. FWIW I don’t think either company are really scrambling except in the performative sense of making announcements to appease the market.

Microsoft's partnership with OpenAI is a years-long affair, not something they're just starting on now. Google should have seen this coming and been able to beat them to release, but they seem to have been caught off guard with some great research projects but no product.

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Post by [deleted] »

neosat wrote: post #13

The blog post is an example of why when you go through a number of edits and additions from various internal groups, marketing, legal, compliance etc. you end up with a message that's a lot of words but not a lot of information for any key audience. I went through the article 3 times thinking I missed the link to try out Bard, get some sense of timeline, roll-out plan...nothing. Come on Google...

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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by impulser_ »

andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

Crazy to say this about a company with a 5y CAGR of 25% at nearly 300b in yearly revenue. That more growth than Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and pretty much any other large tech company.

Google time has passed?

They still have 7-8 products with more than a billion monthly users.

If you go back and look at the company you listed. They die because they were poorly ran companies. Google isn't a poorly ran company.

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Post by frozenlettuce »

techn00 wrote: post #10

"But increasingly, people are turning to Google for deeper insights and understanding" I'm just trying to just get relevant results for my query man ...

unless you are searching for recipes that include a fake intro about the author's childhoold in Alabama

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andrewstuart wrote: post #60

Lotus 123, Borland and Wordperfect were at the top of the software world. They failed to make the transition to GUIs/Windows. Microsoft missed the arrival of the web. Microsoft also missed the mobile revolution and ended up with zero mobile operating system market share. Internet Explorer, having vanquished Netscape, declared "job done" and stopped developing the web browser further, only to be cast to irrelevance fo…

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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

dizzydes wrote: post #171
theonlybutlet wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's that clearcut. These AI queries are resource intensive. Google will have to cut a fine line between quality and profit margin. If it's no good people just won't bother and it won't gain traction. The searches we make are already analyzed and all models tend to use billions of parameters anyway, even self generated. Google also are limited by their risk aversion, as seen in this extremely sanitized…

1. ChatGPT have made a decent go of it on a much smaller budget 2. Wall St tends to be very forgiving when the investment is something with a strong a moat as AI. Metaverse is an example of what happens when they don’t believe… 3. With a few exceptions like weather, their current searches provide links to static pages others have built, so much of their understanding and analysis is going to waste. Giving custom resu…

Didn’t Altman respond to Elon on Twitter and say an interaction cost 1 cent?

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Post by esskay »

dizzydes wrote: post #171
theonlybutlet wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's that clearcut. These AI queries are resource intensive. Google will have to cut a fine line between quality and profit margin. If it's no good people just won't bother and it won't gain traction. The searches we make are already analyzed and all models tend to use billions of parameters anyway, even self generated. Google also are limited by their risk aversion, as seen in this extremely sanitized…

1. ChatGPT have made a decent go of it on a much smaller budget 2. Wall St tends to be very forgiving when the investment is something with a strong a moat as AI. Metaverse is an example of what happens when they don’t believe… 3. With a few exceptions like weather, their current searches provide links to static pages others have built, so much of their understanding and analysis is going to waste. Giving custom resu…

Do we actually know the budget behind ChatGPT? I know Microsoft has thrown money at them and are providing a huge amount of cloud resources but beyond that I've missed any mention of the funding/costs.

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Post by speedgoose »

impulser_ wrote: post #63
enumjorge wrote: post #25

> And today, we’re [...] opening it up to trusted testers ahead of making it more widely available to the public in the coming weeks. It feels like a mistake to make the big announcement for this, but not open it up to a wide audience. It's not like ChatGPT hasn't been out for months now. Not sure how much they gain by making headlines before it's ready for people to play with it.

All they have to do it add a link to the front page of Google and they will automatically get more users in day than ChatGPT.

I would guess they don't have enough available computing resources for that.
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