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Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by enneff »

dougmwne wrote: post #57
neosat wrote: post #13

The blog post is an example of why when you go through a number of edits and additions from various internal groups, marketing, legal, compliance etc. you end up with a message that's a lot of words but not a lot of information for any key audience. I went through the article 3 times thinking I missed the link to try out Bard, get some sense of timeline, roll-out plan...nothing. Come on Google...

There is nothing concrete available today because Google is scrambling to get ahead of a major announcement from Microsoft on integrating GPT into Bing. Internal sources from MS are saying it might be the first we see of GPT-4.

Why do you say google is scrambling when they have been working on AI stuff just as impressive as OpenAI, which you could spin differently to say Microsoft “scrambled” to make a partnership with and are now attempting to cram GPT into their tech stack.

FWIW I don’t think either company are really scrambling except in the performative sense of making announcements to appease the market.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by gundmc »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #71
OnlineGladiator wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It worked for gmail. Maybe some people are too young to remember it was invite-only for years.

That's because there was no competition and they were the first movers.

For free email? That is patently untrue.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

behnamoh wrote: post #104
rom-antics wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a very reactionary move. ChatGPT went viral, and now they have to rush something to market to try and compete. So of course the product doesn't exist yet, but they've had enough time to put together a project plan and some mockups. It's not a great position to be in.

I don't think so. Google has had its own internal LLMs for quite some time now. Some of them are even more powerful than GPT 3.5. The only question has been: "Why release it to the public?"

Exactly. I played with "Meena" when I was an employee there and it was ... disturbingly human-like. I can understand why Google didn't want to release it. And even more so after the Blake Lemoine incident.

Google is already accused of operating a panopticon, the last thing they want to be accused of is running SkyNet.

People who think Google has fallen behind here are sorely mistaken. They just don't/haven't-had a way to make money off of it and are likely worried about reputational fallout.

I want Google's lunch to get eaten as much as the next guy, but I don't think it will be on this front.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by verelo »

aantix wrote: post #93
neosat wrote: post #13

The blog post is an example of why when you go through a number of edits and additions from various internal groups, marketing, legal, compliance etc. you end up with a message that's a lot of words but not a lot of information for any key audience. I went through the article 3 times thinking I missed the link to try out Bard, get some sense of timeline, roll-out plan...nothing. Come on Google...

Have you ever tried utilize one of their APIs..? It's an atrocious experience. They're leaving so much money on the table.

Also good luck signing up and making your first API call.

OpenAI made that very easy, Google no doubt will make it a total pain.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

dbish wrote: post #75
rom-antics wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like a very reactionary move. ChatGPT went viral, and now they have to rush something to market to try and compete. So of course the product doesn't exist yet, but they've had enough time to put together a project plan and some mockups. It's not a great position to be in.

It reminds me of a blander Yann Lecun-like response where he responded on Twitter to a bunch of people saying Facebook ai could have done this and that, without acknowledging they were beat to the (shipping) punch and are now just reacting. Building a roadmap on what is in the zeitgeist and trying to pretend you’re winning a fight you don’t realize you already lost (at least the first battle) is not a way to capture…

What are you referring to? My overall impression of Yann Lecun is he feels quite hamstrung by all the extreme caution at Facebook (which obviously exists at Google too) of releasing anything that could produce content that is in any way objectionable to one of a million different subgroups.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by lotsofpulp »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #51
enumjorge wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We know how well that worked out for Google+

It worked for gmail. Maybe some people are too young to remember it was invite-only for years.

Gmail was objectively far, far superior than all the other competing email offerings, so people wanted to be invited.

Re: Bard and new AI features in Search

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Post by 13years »

dizzydes wrote: post #46

> Soon, you’ll see AI-powered features in Search Despite this blog obviously being written for Wall St, this line is key. This is why anyone is going to struggle to compete with Google in AI. Google Search is used so widely and its taxonomy of meaning so vast already that once they flip this on they’ll be unstoppable. (Assuming any rate of improvement whatsoever as we search.) I’m not mentioning all other learning da…

After all the buzz of decentralization, AI is going to be the new era of centralization. One AI interface to rule them all.
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