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De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by coev »

grishka wrote: post #66
dagmx wrote: post #49

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Accessibility is much more than just labels for a screen reader. Please stop trivializing anything that you don’t use directly, it’s a common thread between all your comments, and it’s a disservice to both the points you’re trying to make and the people who actually use those things . Accessibility includes interaction design, zoom ability, audio commands, action link ups, alternate rendering modes, alternate motion…

My point is that accessibility being a thing shouldn't ruin the UI for the people who don't need it. There's no need to visually redesign anything to introduce accessibility. Apps don't need to be made aware whether some control has focus because the user has pressed the tab key, or because it's being focused by a screen reader, or because of some other assistive technology. Colors and font sizes can also be configur…

> There's no need to visually redesign anything to introduce accessibility.

People with motion sickness (reduced animation), the deaf (captions!), and the colorblind would beg to differ

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by DavideNL »

KronisLV wrote: post #374
DavideNL wrote: post #364

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What would you say is the best Desktop environment for Debian for an average user (not Development), modern PC, and some gaming (nvidia 3080Ti)?

Personally, XFCE is pretty lightweight, customizable and stable. I actually did a blog post where I ran Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) with XFCE, so you can get a rough idea of it in some screenshots: https://blog.kronis.dev/articles/a-week-of-linux-instead-of-... It's not particularly interesting or pretty, but it works well and does most if not everything that you might need, so is my choice for a daily driver. Here'…

Thank you for the info;

I was already leaning towards XFCE so i will give that a try.

Also i did some reading on the proprietary drivers (nvidia, etc.) I'm going to install dual boot Debian/XFCE and Pop!_OS for the gaming.

I still can't believe that Windows has turned into such a bloatware/mess that i'm actually at a point i can't live with it anymore...

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by poopooracoocoo »

pas wrote: post #52
Dalewyn wrote: post #38

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A lot more than you think: * Steam (the root process, not the subsequent Chromium child processes) is 32-bit, as are a lot of games. * Discord is 32-bit.

How come people run these Electron apps separately when they run pretty well as tabs/windows in the browser?

I think it's because the apps have additional functionality and because the services push users to use the apps on their websites. Some of the additional functionality is artificially limited to apps as companies can put more tracking, advertising, and can ensure that people won't leave their service easily by just closing a tab.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by KronisLV »

DavideNL wrote: post #402
KronisLV wrote: post #374

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Personally, XFCE is pretty lightweight, customizable and stable. I actually did a blog post where I ran Linux Mint (based on Ubuntu) with XFCE, so you can get a rough idea of it in some screenshots: https://blog.kronis.dev/articles/a-week-of-linux-instead-of-... It's not particularly interesting or pretty, but it works well and does most if not everything that you might need, so is my choice for a daily driver. Here'…

Thank you for the info; I was already leaning towards XFCE so i will give that a try. Also i did some reading on the proprietary drivers (nvidia, etc.) I'm going to install dual boot Debian/XFCE and Pop!_OS for the gaming. I still can't believe that Windows has turned into such a bloatware/mess that i'm actually at a point i can't live with it anymore...

> I still can't believe that Windows has turned into such a bloatware/mess that i'm actually at a point i can't live with it anymore...

That is quite unfortunate, especially because there is some software that I think Windows does better - like MobaXTerm or 7-Zip (with its GUI), FancyZones (for window snapping) and most of the GPU control panels.

That said, as that article of mine shows, Linux on the desktop is actually way better than it used to be years ago and gaming is definitely viable, even if not all of the titles are supported. Sadly, I don't think that'll happen anytime soon, but it's still better than nothing!

I'll still probably go the dual boot route with Windows and Linux, or maybe will have a VM with GPU passthrough for specific games on Linux, although I haven't gotten it working just right, ever. Oh well, here's to a brighter future!

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by poopooracoocoo »

firecall wrote: post #227
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #199

My biggest issue is disk bloat, I use many vms on my laptop, windows vms regularly end up 60+gb for a pretty standard deploy (windows+msvs or office). It normally comes down to a bloated winsxs folder, but I feel like attempting to fix that is playing with fire. Compare that to Linux, 10gb with a full gui, and minimal bloat after the fact and it’s extremely frustrating.

Reminds me of the pain point I have with Windows Gaming PCs! Both my teenagers have 2x 1TB NVME drives installed to deal with the insane requirements of Steam, Epic and Xbox gamepass games. We live in Australia with ~25Mpbs download FTTN, so installing and uninstalling is a huge pain and isnt practical. I have a similar issue with Apple selling Macs with 256GB hard drives! Even with iCloud photo and docs offload, the…

Doesn't help that Epic Games has three instances of Chromium. Add that to Steam's and all of the games' instances and you've easily gotten at least 2 GB of duplicate instances of Chromium. Edge and Edge WebView, at least, are hard-linked, provided that they're the same version.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

neogodless wrote: post #269
ehcjrvakzjtbe wrote: post #214

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youre cursed like the rest of us and you will use windows only on work machines AND GAME MACHINES and linux for personal EDIT: spelling and attempted to adjust elegance

I'm a recent (mostly) convert. So far Anno 1800 has an issue where multiplayer games only connect if I play on Windows (but single player runs flawlessly in Linux Mint.) Every other game I've played has been great. StarCraft II (in Bottles), Conan, Valheim, Northgard (so far.) PC gaming on Linux is not perfect, but it's really damn good. (This is on a Ryzen 7 + Geforce RTX laptop)

I was a little afraid when I opened up Legion TD 2 if the multiplayer would work or not, but sure enough it did, no issues! I was genuinely surprised to be proven wrong on my worries.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by ElectricalUnion »

pixl97 wrote: post #376
userbinator wrote: post #268

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Neither can Windows 10 on default settings, for more than around a month, before force-rebooting all by itself and losing all your work.

For many applications Windows 10 saves state and comes back right where you started on a security update reboot.

> For many applications Windows 10 saves state and comes back right where you started on a security update reboot.

This needs application support, by this broad definition all operating systems "saves state and comes back right where you started on a security update reboot".

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by blacklion »

inglor_cz wrote: post #399
blacklion wrote: post #398

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If your application can be useful on different OSes (and now there are only 3 OSes in existence, as porting Desktop application on Mobile requires completely different UI and UX no matter what technology you use!), break it into business logic and UI and find partner or hire developer who love to develop native UIs for other OS. MVC pattern is old and well known (though not fashionable now, I understand). OSS project…

"break it into business logic and UI and find partner or hire developer who love to develop native UIs for other OS" As I said in my previous comment, this is quite expensive, and people inside Silicon Valley rarely understand how cash-strapped the software sector in the rest of the world is. In Czech, we have a saying "a person who is fed won't believe a hungry one" and SV veterans that are used to reams of VC cash…

I'm not in Silicon Valley or even USA, and never seen any venture money or VC.

But, again, I'm prefer to make one thing good than two things good enough.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by npteljes »

10xDev wrote: post #363
npteljes wrote: post #344

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What's wrong is not to realize that these are businesses, not endeavors to create the perfect operating system. Your incentives are just not aligned with Microsoft's, simple as that.

Good thing you can be both a business and still care about user experience.

Yeah, I hope to see much of it!

This got me thinking - I wonder what's the largest commercial entity that I'm considering good in this regard.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

npteljes wrote: post #341
ChildOfChaos wrote: post #302

I feel like a new law needs to be named after this, maybe it already exists and I am just unaware of it, but 'basic computing functions and operating system requires expand to match the standard level of computing performance available" It's crazy how things that were considered basic many years ago so run well within the performance we have in modern systems, yet the basic system has requirements much higher than it…

There's Andy and Bill's law: "what Andy giveth, Bill taketh away". Reflecting on the fact that software will eat whatever resources are available. In a way, I think this reflects how life works in general. The way I see it, life expands until there's significant hindrance, or resources are exhausted. I don't mean it in a cynical way, like how Agent Smith does in the Matrix, regarding humanity, I just think that this…

Very good points, thanks.
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