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AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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I’ve seen headlines about the AI Seinfeld but after watching the clip - is it solely the script? I was expecting the voice and video to be Seinfeld.

The AI Seinfeld is a show about nothing which is what Seinfeld was and was also a subplot in Seinfeld where George and Jerry write a show that's about nothing and try to sell it. It's a bit meta.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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The topic is taboo. I cannot be freely discussed on these platforms regardless of the position taken.

Which probably isn't a good strategy to handle taboo topics long-term.

I'm substantially more worried about returning to a society with openly enforced taboos.

I thought we had left that in the past century, but I was clearly too optimistic.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#173

Explanation from their Discord (more info/links below) “Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any d…

This makes sense because most of the political ChatGPT headlines I see are it refusing to say nice things about republicans or crashing because it's unable to say anything discriminatory. Using a different model here makes sense

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regularly see clips of very popular Twitch streamers being openly sexist, racist, and abusive. I'm curious why a single mention of a taboo topic on an AI-generated channel warranted such a severe response.

Twitch bans are highly inconsistent.

The probability banning would cause a decrease in revenue (ad-viewing users not on the site if banned creator not on the site) has to be weighed against the probability not-banning would cause a decrease in revenue (advertisers not on the site if banned creator is on the site). It's all very advanced mathematics, far too difficult for the common man to understand.

Oh, uh, I mean.... "ethics". And "morals". And "terms of service". Yeah, thats it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#175
post #5

If you click through to the mirror from the /r/livestreamfail page, the clip actually comes across (to me) as making fun of the people who make those kinds of jokes.

I saw it as a joke about an 80s/90s comedian being dropped into the 21st century and bombing a set trying to use old material. It's not a bad premise for a joke and could probably even work IRL if you polish it up. It's too bad they mentioned the T-word though, I guess you're not allowed to say that anymore even in passing.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#176

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No, comedy can still be offensive. Anyone suggesting comedians can't be offensive is lying. Comedians routinely punch down, and routinely sell out shows. The believe that comedian's can't be offensive is a shtick they are using to market their shows to an audience. It's all advertising and marketing, and the gullible eat it up because it feeds into their bias.

https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/do-you-want-cancel-cult...

I only read the first two sections of that article but they already contain such strange assertions that I don't think it's worth it to bother with the rest:

> I think “a culture where social norms are enforced with repeated and vociferous public shaming” is the most useful way to define the term.

That might be the most useful way for the author to make their point, but as far as I am aware, for most people being cancelled definitely entails some sort of deplatforming, e.g. some BigCo not wanting to be associated with your name. If you keep doing what you're doing while being insulted on Twitter, that's not being cancelled, that's just ... well, Twitter.

> What I find more interesting is that this argument requires the very thing that it laments. That is, in order to make this argument, you need to have figures like Louis CK who escape/survive the consequences of public shaming, but simultaneously to assert that this is a bad thing.

In no way does the tweet embedded at the top of the article imply that it's a bad thing that Louis CK is playing MSG. It's saying that if we define being cancelled not in the way the author of the article did but the way I outlined above, someone who is supposedly cancelled would not be playing MSG. From there it makes the pretty big leap to say that cancel culture in general is not real.

I'm not even that invested in the whole debate but this article seems completely misguided or in bad faith.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I regularly see clips of very popular Twitch streamers being openly sexist, racist, and abusive. I'm curious why a single mention of a taboo topic on an AI-generated channel warranted such a severe response.

Twitch bans are highly inconsistent.

> Twitch bans are highly inconsistent.

Exactly. Consistency and fairness are expensive, so none of the platforms actually do it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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It’s kind of funny how whenever an account on a privately-operated website gets banned for violating that website’s clearly stated rules, it instantly becomes a referendum on Cancel Culture and Lowest Common Denominator and Woke Mob etc.

People are forming entire worldviews around being oppressed by The Mods these days, and so many people happily clamor to reinforce their position that they are The Victim Of Culture because a stupid free live stream that they didn’t care about 48 hours ago isn’t available at this very second.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

#180
post #4

The clip in question: https://livestreamfails.com/clip/150015

Honestly the "no one is laughing" punchline makes it hard for me to call this a transphobic joke. It's a transphobic-phobic joke and not gonna lie I chuckled.

The delivery is so bad, you could take it either way.

However, censoring a sentence like "thinking about making a joke about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society" is very thought-police. In itself, it says nothing, and certainly cannot be seen as hate speech.

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