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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by throwaway743 »

godelski wrote: post #619
lethologica wrote: post #613

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How can it be sensor glare when the pilots saw with their own eyes these objects?

Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes. You need to pay attention to the accounts. There are some though, to be clear. But these cases aren't like the ones we're seeing videos of. They are often something that flew between the aircraft vertically. This could easily be a bird (lower altitudes) or even part of a weather balloon that is just in free fall (these are launched all the time and hav…

David Fravor and his peers saw one with their own eyes, and it doesn't seem to be a bird.

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Post by mikrotikker »

naasking wrote: post #765
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #502

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Yeah - also, if something can travel light years and have no major signs of atmospheric entry and exit then they have definitely mastered cloaking. The f35B is pretty close already. There's way to many holes in the 'Alien Theory', to many technological absurdities. If these's truly are aliens, then they are the steam punk kind with awkward technological leaps. The easy explaination is they are advanced military craft…

> The easy explaination is they are advanced military craft. That's not easy at all given the alleged capabilities of these objects tracked across multiple sensor systems. An easier explanation is actually some kind of active sensor spoofing.

But that would also infer some kind of parapsychology effects to make the pilots see things. Or maybe a better version of the Havana syndrome gun?

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Post by poulpy123 »

swexbe wrote: post #781
poulpy123 wrote: post #739

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> When the US Government tells the world that North Korea has exploded a nuclear weapon We do have the proof that North Korea and nuclear weapons exists. The US government could be lying about the tests like it lied about iraqis WMD but 1/ there are other sources 2/ its in the domain of plausability anyway. At the reverse, alien origin of UFO relies on unproved and impossible facts: 1/ the existence of life outside e…

Who said anything about aliens?

all this thread is about aliens

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

nl wrote: post #650
nprateem wrote: post #625

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I don't think so. These things can disable nukes according to testimony given to Congress. They're the basis of US supremacy. In the above situations, it'd be imperative for the US to acquire the tech through war, economic pressure or espionage, or if that wasn't possible try to prevent them manufacturing more. If it was a friendly country they'd have to share the tech. This tech is basically like developing 5th gen…

> These things can disable nukes according to testimony given to Congress. Citation required. > In the above situations, it'd be imperative for the US to acquire the tech through war, economic pressure or espionage, or if that wasn't possible try to prevent them manufacturing more. Perhaps this is exactly what the US is doing? Except the US knows it can't go to war because it'd lose.

Robert Salas was the Air Force captain in charge of Nordstrom Air Force Base where he was witness to 10 isolated nuclear ICBMs becoming decommissioned with a UFO hovering above. He's testified to congress before but he's been asked to testify again https://twitter.com/keptycho/status/1608097197857595392?s=46...

There's a really good book "UFOs and Nukes" that goes into great details the correlation between UFO sightings by military members around nuclear facilities / detonation events.

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Post by mikrotikker »

margalabargala wrote: post #315
themanmaran wrote: post #225

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Or they're observed over military facilities because that's the only location with a rigorous surveillance system.

If they were anywhere close to evenly distributed across the US or the globe, one would expect plenty of eyewitness data from commercial airline passengers. That this phenomenon appears specific to personnel and locations related to US military bases seems like an important piece of data.

There are some historical reports floating about from when the soviets and US were working together after WW2 or something and shared information on these events.

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Post by stevenhuang »

likeabbas wrote: post #759
stevenhuang wrote: post #666

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You can update your priors by looking into more cases. A pattern emerges. See UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record by Leslie Kean.

I just want to say thanks for your inputs in this thread.

Hey thanks, yours as well!

This topic is a lot deeper than many realize, luckily the shift in perception is occurring and we're starting to take this seriously.

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Post by bostonwalker »

godelski wrote: post #620
bostonwalker wrote: post #548

Excluding otherworldly forms of speculation about why possible aliens are visiting us, this subject really boils down to four tangible questions about how we arrived at this footage and the eyewitness accounts from Fravor et al: - Is it aliens? - If not, do these sightings represent real unexplainable technological phenomena (advanced propulsion technology)? - If not, are the eyewitness accounts credible? - In any ca…

I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Right, absolutely fair comment. I would also add however that people don't realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for these objects to have a terrestrial technological origin.

Consider the following aspects of the observed phenomena:

- Intelligent characteristics (chasing / following / loitering behaviour)

- Ability to generate and withstand extreme G-forces

- Ability to expend/sustain extreme bursts of energy

- Lack of visible exhaust

- Bizarre aerodynamic characteristics

I'm not an aerospace engineer, but I am a technologist and I took some aerospace-related courses in university. The first two aspects combined seem to rule out control by a human in the cockpit, and given the history of AI I would say autonomous control by a computer as well. Although not altogether the possibility of remote control by a human.

But the last three aspects transcend not only everything I think I know about existing technology, but also my understanding of:

- Newton's Third Law of motion and the rocket equation

- Fluid mechanics/Navier-Stokes equation

- Thermodynamics

i.e., it exceeds our current science by such an enormous margin that I couldn't even begin to approach how to analyze it. Therefore, I think that if we rule out the possibility of a delusion/hoax, it's far more likely that these objects are alien than a secret skunk works project.

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Post by graderjs »

nprateem wrote: post #771
graderjs wrote: post #418

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Yeah! It’s only our fear that it is legitimately something revolutionary that causes us to ‘protect ourselves’ by not looking at it… and it’s that same fear that causes us to pretend it is not legitimate, only because we’re afraid that it is. Which then causes us to not just do the rational thing of facing it and investigating it. We’re basically denying our first highly-informative impression because we don’t want i…

It also shows the outstanding success of the psyops in the 60s to discredit anyone reporting UFOs. Once you remove your socialised biases, it would seem obvious there's something intelligent there worth investigating.

> Once you remove your socialised biases, it would seem obvious there's something intelligent there worth investigating.

Well, yeah, but it's not my socialised biases, I don't have any about this topic!

And it's not even generally Westerners, a lot of Indians, Chinese, Brazilians and folks from everywhere have the same fear--despite their history (but you know everyone these days is "modern" and skepticism of the Old Wisdom is trendy, sadly). Some of that fear, sure, is psyops, but less than you think. Probably more than half is simply the terror that our Human Myth is wrong. Ryan Graves (post author) said it well in a podcast (KONCRETE, I think). Paraphrasing:

  Most people don't have the ability to integrate this information into their reality and continue their day to day life immediately. It would require longer contemplation. So instead of doing that, they just block themselves from seeing it.

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Post by mikrotikker »

crosen99 wrote: post #721
godelski wrote: post #620

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I don't think people realize how much of our understanding of physics needs to be broken for aliens to be visiting us. Or that these creatures are willing to spend decades or generations away from their planet/home/family. Space is a hell of a lot bigger than people really think. Even several times the speed of light is slow in terms of these interstellar distances.

Our understanding is so incomplete that we have to posit the presence of dark matter and dark energy - comprising the majority of the universe - to explain the parts we think we do understand. With so much we cannot account for, it seems unwise to have firm beliefs like this about what isn’t possible.

Yes exactly its a bit arrogant to think that we know it all or that we can know it all.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mikrotikker »

godelski wrote: post #686
literalAardvark wrote: post #675

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Thanks, I'll read it. I was quite precise in my wording and didn't say what you are responding to. My opinion (and it's just that, I'm unprepared to defend it) is that we've always been [less and less] wrong on everything. And since we can't know what the boundaries of knowledge are, and it could easily be some insane unbounded fractal existence, it seems rash to me to decide that we know enough to say that there can…

Problem is that this technology breaks our understanding of causality. So it isn't a "less wrong" type of situation so much as we have to rewrite everything. Specifically it means things that happen in the future can affect things in the past (communication past the light cone). The discoveries of quantum and relativity didn't break classical mechanics so much as extend it. But to rewrite how a sequence of events hap…

The problem is you/we are working with what you know, not with what you don't know. That is why it's hard to conceive of something different.

You never know, when this advanced technology is revealed by the US military it could just be some kind of physics hack that fits in neatly somewhere and doesn't require any rewriting, just a footnote.

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