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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by kypro »

throwaway4aday wrote: post #463
kypro wrote: post #246

I don't get it. In recent years a number of people who I know and I view to be very intelligent have started talk to me about how they believe reports of aliens trolling US fighter pilots and that the US government is covering this up. And I'm aware that "trolling" might be viewed as an uncharitable way of looking at it, but I actually think that's the most accurate description of what's being reported in these sight…

The trolling hypothesis makes the most sense to me. If these are non-terrestrial that means that getting here is relatively simple given the sheer number and variety that are reported. If that's the case and these things have no interest in colonization, resource extraction, or elimination of a competitor i.e. we are thoroughly beneath them in every way that makes me think the zoo hypothesis is the most likely, thoug…

Hm, I mean I would agree this is the most reasonable explanation assuming the sightings are accurate, but you still have to question why none of them make more effort to communicate...

Something I and others like to do when visiting monkeys at a zoo is try to interact with them. You might not be able to have a full conversation with them, but they're still curious and interested in looking at objects and things you might have on you.

Why doesn't one of these trolls ever show us something really cool and definitively make their presence known? I just think if I were visiting the Earth zoo and I wanted to troll I'd probably do more, like put on a cool light show above NYC or something. It seems annoying fighter jets is probably one of the more stupid things an intergalactic troll could do - unless they're trying to provoke international conflicts or something...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by defrost »

dtx1 wrote: post #708
nirvgorilla wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read Carl Sagan's Demon Haunted World book from 1996? Because this kind of crap always turns out to be garbage. We live on a rock circling a star. The only thing that makes the world more interesting than it really is is our brains that love to make crap up. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.™

When the US Government tells the world that North Korea has exploded a nuclear weapon than i can neither directly measure that myself nor do I have access to the data where and how the US Government knows that happens. Yet we all collectively believe that to be true. The Nimitz incident falls under the same category. I don't know what that was but the "debunking" by Mick West simply ignores most of the little evidenc…

I wouldn't trust the US Govt to lie straight in bed.

This is why we have multiple confirmations and public databases:

    The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) was set up in 1996 with its headquarters in Vienna, Austria. It is an interim organization tasked with building up the verification regime of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) in preparation for the Treaty's entry into force, as well as promoting the Treaty's universality. 


    All six nuclear tests by North Korea were clearly detected by Australia’s IMS seismic stations,” Zerbo said.
~ https://www.ctbto.org/resources/for-the-media/press-releases...

https://www.ga.gov.au/education/classroom-resources/hazards/...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

To me this sounds like if I was saying "as an owner of a bank account, I witnessed decisions of the French budget that I do not understand. It must be secret money".

He is a pilot, and saw stuff. Since there are not always data driven evidence (we just do not know, it could have been this or that) it is easier to say UFO.

Maybe this is incompetence of the ones who monitor the sky, and they want to hide it. Maybe we cannot explain it because we do not know if this was a bird or a plane.

Saying "UFO" is a bold word, that requires bold evidence. The fact that the super secretive army does not want to show their data just fuels the conspiracy.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mlindner »

Daz1 wrote: post #601
mlindner wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Identifying what some aircraft in the distance is by sight, at night, is not in their training. Identifying that it is _something_ so as to avoid it, is, but identifying what it is, is not.

Patently untrue, learning to identify aircraft by shape for both IFF and situational awareness purposes is standard.

So you can pick out the type of an aircraft against a black sky at night only by it's wing lights? I said _by sight_ in my comment and that was important.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mlindner »

FredPret wrote: post #598
mlindner wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Identifying what some aircraft in the distance is by sight, at night, is not in their training. Identifying that it is _something_ so as to avoid it, is, but identifying what it is, is not.

Yes it is? You have to know if it's an enemy aircraft, and which one. You have to study each model so you know what you're up against. WW2 pilots spent a lot of time memorizing enemy aircraft silhouettes and performance details

You're not doing that at night though. The human eye isn't capable of that.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by jack_pp »

epgui wrote: post #499
jack_pp wrote: post #468

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Magic/ supernatural isn't unscientific by definition. We don't believe in it because there isn't anyone able to do those things for all of us to see. Science is defined by the scientific method and our curiosity to apply it not by our scepticism.

If it was real, it would not be called “supernatural”, by literal definition.

Quote from hpmor.com chapter 1.

> The Professor turned and looked down at him, dismissive as usual. "Oh, come now, Harry. Really, magic? I thought you'd know better than to take this seriously, son, even if you're only ten. Magic is just about the most unscientific thing there is!"

...

> "Mum," Harry said. "If you want to win this argument with Dad, look in chapter two of the first book of the Feynman Lectures on Physics. There's a quote there about how philosophers say a great deal about what science absolutely requires, and it is all wrong, because the only rule in science is that the final arbiter is observation - that you just have to look at the world and report what you see. Um... off the top of my head I can't think of where to find something about how it's an ideal of science to settle things by experiment instead of arguments -"

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by dtx1 »

defrost wrote: post #712
dtx1 wrote: post #708

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the US Government tells the world that North Korea has exploded a nuclear weapon than i can neither directly measure that myself nor do I have access to the data where and how the US Government knows that happens. Yet we all collectively believe that to be true. The Nimitz incident falls under the same category. I don't know what that was but the "debunking" by Mick West simply ignores most of the little evidenc…

I wouldn't trust the US Govt to lie straight in bed. This is why we have multiple confirmations and public databases: The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) was set up in 1996 with its headquarters in Vienna, Austria. It is an interim organization tasked with building up the verification regime of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) in preparation fo…

Making my point for me, all that Data could be trivially faked, in 5 years probably by telling chatGPT10.3 "Make a website proving that North Korea exploded nukes" and I have 0 way to verify any of this.

Yet I believe that those Sensors Measured what they did and north korea did in fact explode a few nukes.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by defrost »

dtx1 wrote: post #717
defrost wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't trust the US Govt to lie straight in bed. This is why we have multiple confirmations and public databases: The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) was set up in 1996 with its headquarters in Vienna, Austria. It is an interim organization tasked with building up the verification regime of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) in preparation fo…

Making my point for me, all that Data could be trivially faked, in 5 years probably by telling chatGPT10.3 "Make a website proving that North Korea exploded nukes" and I have 0 way to verify any of this. Yet I believe that those Sensors Measured what they did and north korea did in fact explode a few nukes.

How would chatGPT "trivially fake" paper readouts digitised and signed in real time from multiple sensor sites controlled by multiple independent countries and legal jurisdictions?

> and I have 0 way to verify any of this.

That would be because you haven't joined any geophysical data organisations .. and that'd be on you.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by nirvgorilla »

dtx1 wrote: post #717
defrost wrote: post #712

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't trust the US Govt to lie straight in bed. This is why we have multiple confirmations and public databases: The Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) was set up in 1996 with its headquarters in Vienna, Austria. It is an interim organization tasked with building up the verification regime of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT) in preparation fo…

Making my point for me, all that Data could be trivially faked, in 5 years probably by telling chatGPT10.3 "Make a website proving that North Korea exploded nukes" and I have 0 way to verify any of this. Yet I believe that those Sensors Measured what they did and north korea did in fact explode a few nukes.

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by yokoprime »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #713

To me this sounds like if I was saying "as an owner of a bank account, I witnessed decisions of the French budget that I do not understand. It must be secret money". He is a pilot, and saw stuff. Since there are not always data driven evidence (we just do not know, it could have been this or that) it is easier to say UFO. Maybe this is incompetence of the ones who monitor the sky, and they want to hide it. Maybe we c…

What is OVNI? Is this French for UFO?
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