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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by majestic5762 »

jamiek88 wrote: post #538
majestic5762 wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's antisemitic from my words? But you're correct: people see patterns, like me or you, and they're often wrong, but not always. The truth lurks in there somewhere. But that was just my theory based on personal experience and observation. I'm not interested in political, religious or racial discussions.

These are all tropes about (((JEWS)) historically, ((NEW WORLD ORDER) is ((JEWS)). It's thinly veiled stuff to a lot of people. Coincidental here I'm sure, but it can raise the hackles. Especially 'secret fraternities', makes you think freemasons etc often used pejoratively by anti semites. Just shedding some light here not making any accusations.

Some people seem to condemn these theories, while identifying with them and putting themselves at the center. It gives them power. People use this tactic often, but some become boring.

((Jews)) don't like when people say about them they rule the world, but the truth is they like it.

Same goes with Germans. ((Nazism)) is taboo and nobody talks about it, but the truth is they are proud of their history. Not about the killings, but proud of their might and power - they "almost succeeded".

Coming back, i had 0 antisemitic intentions

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by [deleted] »

runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ostenning »

wpietri wrote: post #549
ostenning wrote: post #540

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If Aliens can seemingly break all known laws of the physical universe to get to Earth, somehow I think they could probably evade as many mobile phone cameras as they want

Sure, but that doesn't explain why they got better at the exact rate our technology did. It's much easier to blame it on gods or angels or devils or whatever. Which is basically what "aliens" means when they're treated as having extra-magic technology.

Im not really sure what your point is, your measuring Aliens in relation to Humans and our understanding of the universe. If Aliens did get to Earth most theories would imply that they have broken physical laws that we haven’t, so for all intents and purposes, they do have extra-magic technology.

Maybe they also have threat models and can adapt to our rate of change?

I don’t know, but thinking that we are the only part of the equation doesnt seem complete to me

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by shepherdjerred »

wpietri wrote: post #549
ostenning wrote: post #540

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Aliens can seemingly break all known laws of the physical universe to get to Earth, somehow I think they could probably evade as many mobile phone cameras as they want

Sure, but that doesn't explain why they got better at the exact rate our technology did. It's much easier to blame it on gods or angels or devils or whatever. Which is basically what "aliens" means when they're treated as having extra-magic technology.

https://xkcd.com/2572/

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by runesofdoom »

SquareWheel wrote: post #230
pmarreck wrote: post #198

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Exactly how many eyewitness accounts, devoid of good physical evidence, constitute "Evidence" with a capital "E"? If this number is "infinity" for you, that is unreasonable.

The number is infinity. There is a reason that data is not the plural of anecdote. Once scrutinized, these phenomena are almost always explained by humans misinterpreting their instruments (either machine readout, or their own eyes). Honestly, you wouldn't believe how many people report _the moon_ as a UFO because it shows up in an odd place, gets distorted by unique atmospheric conditions, and can appear in differen…

Venus is even "worse" than the moon for blowing people's minds. It's less frequent, and gets very bright - the 3rd brightest natural object in the sky- able to cast faint shadows, and even visible in daylight. Reportedly, the US Navy once tried to shoot it down: https://m.facebook.com/NavalInstitute/posts/1015948215350217...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by louison11 »

epgui wrote: post #499
jack_pp wrote: post #468

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Magic/ supernatural isn't unscientific by definition. We don't believe in it because there isn't anyone able to do those things for all of us to see. Science is defined by the scientific method and our curiosity to apply it not by our scepticism.

If it was real, it would not be called “supernatural”, by literal definition.

Supernatural (adj): (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Something CAN be real and beyond current scientific understanding.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by thefaux »

danenania wrote: post #440
juve1996 wrote: post #396

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You said you don't think aliens and magic should be the same category, but now argue that they'd be so advanced that, would it even be differentiable from magic?

It would be differentiable in the same way any more advanced technology than what we have now would be. It will have been created through scientific research and engineering, just like our own technology. Not understanding how something works doesn’t make it magic.

> It will have been created through scientific research and engineering, just like our own technology.

It seems a touch hubristic to assume that an advanced civilization with technological capabilities far exceeding our own would have used our processes and techniques to get there.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by ajhurliman »

mlindner wrote: post #567
runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

Pilots are notoriously bad observers of anything outside their training. They see what they expect to see, just like any other humans.

Things that fly seems to be in-scope with their training

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by acer589 »

jamiek88 wrote: post #538
majestic5762 wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's antisemitic from my words? But you're correct: people see patterns, like me or you, and they're often wrong, but not always. The truth lurks in there somewhere. But that was just my theory based on personal experience and observation. I'm not interested in political, religious or racial discussions.

These are all tropes about (((JEWS)) historically, ((NEW WORLD ORDER) is ((JEWS)). It's thinly veiled stuff to a lot of people. Coincidental here I'm sure, but it can raise the hackles. Especially 'secret fraternities', makes you think freemasons etc often used pejoratively by anti semites. Just shedding some light here not making any accusations.

Huh. I did not think there was a ton of overlap between Freemasons and the Jewish community.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by midoridensha »

epgui wrote: post #499
jack_pp wrote: post #468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Magic/ supernatural isn't unscientific by definition. We don't believe in it because there isn't anyone able to do those things for all of us to see. Science is defined by the scientific method and our curiosity to apply it not by our scepticism.

If it was real, it would not be called “supernatural”, by literal definition.

Quantum effects, like those used by the LEDs on your computer, used to be "supernatural" until someone figured out the physics behind them and invented devices capable of exploiting these effects. If you could bring an LED back in time to the year 1500 and show it to people then (with a power source and current driver of course), they would surely call it "supernatural".
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