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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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My theory is that the wealthy and secret fraternities who put their men in government and politics always need controversial subjects so that they can push hidden agendas behind them. Orchestration can be easy: just a handful of people know the truth, some execute knowingly, the rest are unknowingly part of the story. It could be useful to think why they need this UFO story to resurface. Better weapons and more fundi…

It’s unlikely a secret cabal runs the world. Too hard to keep such a thing airtight.

People often imagine secret societies with secret gatherings, doing bizarre rituals. This is why it's hard to imagine such cabals. But they do exist and might be pretty chill: people smoking cigars, drinking and discussing ways of making money from their position of power. We all do that. Happens that some are more rich and powerful

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I mean, sure, but Occam's razor probably applies, no? Seems more likely that people occasionally misidentify something or hallucinate something or similar, than that there are interplanetary travelers who have both FTL travel and perfect cloaking abilities who come to earth, turn them off just long enough to fuck with a couple of people, then turn them back on and fly off.

Do people generally randomly hallucinate things? We don't get reports of flying spaghetti monsters. Only shiny craft in the sky. Perhaps people only hallucinate things that are on a certain level socially-acceptable to hallucinate?

Three stars?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

Re: the astronomers not seeing anything Well one of the storylines is that these things are coming out of the ocean, so in that sense, telescopes pointed at space aren't going to be of much help.

There are meteor detection cameras set up all over the country at various universities that record full sky images 24/7 365 days a year of anything that moves. They're even publicly available.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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High-performance hobbyist drones are approaching UFO levels of performance.[1] Top speed of that one is well over 400MPH. One of those will cost you maybe US$8000. The triangular craft seen buzzing US Navy ships off the coast of California look a lot like those. There's a huge range of remote controlled aerial vehicles you can buy now. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k

400 mph is way off from 40000mph, which is one of the speed estimates from an encounter. My pet theory is that the UAP footage we've seen from the last few year is actually sensor warfare, i.e. spoofing

Speed is extremely easy to mistake if you have in your head that you're expecting objects of the size piloted by humans. Further if you're not triangulating the distance, any claims of speed are just pure nonsense.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

Counterpoint: any civilization advanced enough for interplanetary travel is also smart enough to reveal itself when it WANTS to reveal itself. Cloaking and stealth are reasonably simpler technologies compared to traveling light years.

Most of this is out of a need by humans to feel like they're not alone in the universe.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

Pilots are notoriously bad observers of anything outside their training. They see what they expect to see, just like any other humans.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

And telescopes are awful at locating moving targets. Too narrow field of view

> At least 140 Countries in the World have sophisticated Air Forces with optical sensors. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena..

Who says they don't? There's no conspiracy, but maybe national secrecy concerns

> But all images we get from these UFO look they were taken with a cheap grainy amateur camera...

You're getting the images they can declassifiy (and then again, for target tracking you don't need anything more fancy)

> The military have sensors capable to read a bus ticket on the floor of Moscow streets.

Again, the wrong thing to detect it

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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- 40,000 to 70,000 Amateur Astronomers, scan the skies every night, with precision instruments capable to distinguish Jupiter atmosphere bands. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - About 500 observatories in the world, most of which are located in the Northern hemisphere study nightly stars, galaxies, planets and other celestial objects. Hardly any noticed these anomalous phenomena... - By some rough est…

It's amazing how many people believe that aliens are constantly flitting across our skies. I constantly wonder what the psyche is like of people who believe that kind of thing and what makes them so confident in it despite all the counter-veiling evidence.

It seems to fool some of the most intelligent people the most and I'm not quite sure why.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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> Objects demonstrating extreme capabilities routinely fly over our military facilities and training ranges. We don’t know what they are, and we are unable to mitigate their presence. Occams Razor suggests that if these objects appear almost exclusively over US military facilities and US military training ranges, they're most likely operated by the US military. (Sorry to the Navy pilot whose security clearance is too…

I'll take the other side of this argument since Occams Razor may not be the tool for the job of understanding or characterizing these phenomena. Since there are numerous reports spanning decades and even dating to the 19th century, before manned flight, and these reports come from all over the globe and the descriptions involve similar events and very similar observations between widely spaced events then it follows…

What UFO reports predate the invention of flight?
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