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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by scotty79 »

likeabbas wrote: post #70
ttpphd wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement. Hmm I'm doubtful about this. It would be very unlike him. I found his explanation quite illuminating, and the pilot he had a back and forth with was interesting. It's been a few months since I checked but last I did, I was satisfied that Mick made a good case for why the others are wrong about the distance.

There’s nothing to doubt. It’s all on Twitter. TheCholla has done a fantastic job showing here what f18s look like at different distances on FLIR https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=... Mick refuses to accept the fact the distance is 6-8nm as the pilots stated it was shown on their SAs. Ryan Graves asked Mick to present his analysis at a coalition of former military pilots for them to debate h…

> But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was

... farther than instruments indicated ... Which still beats "it's aliens" by a long shot.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by [deleted] »

stevenhuang wrote: post #66
JKCalhoun wrote: post #60

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I'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposit…

If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by marcusverus »

runjake wrote: post #31
dopeboy wrote: post #13

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What would you say is the most credible incident that everyone should take seriously?

The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

Check out Joe Rogan episode 1361 with Commander David Fravor (who witnessed the UFO first-hand). They show the footage and Cmdr. Fravor talks through it around the 24 minute mark. Pretty fascinating stuff.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/16If5PVe6ouxeDwNbtu0iC?si=8...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mrtksn »

likeabbas wrote: post #17

I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics. This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=... This paper shows the tic tac video e…

> This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph

Would't it mean that the footage doesn't actually show real objects then?

You see a Mona Lisa on the wall in your friends house, before you assume that your friend has the original or that Leonardo Da Vinci painted two of those and this is the other one you will need to go through many many other scenarios because you know a thing or two about the painting and your friend. You don't just throw away all your constructs about the world on the first observed anomaly.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mach1ne »

gfodor wrote: post #22
hwillis wrote: post #6

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter…

An autonomous monitoring system for galactic-scale existential risk bearing technologies would def have probes that monitored the technological development of remote civilizations.

I sometimes wonder if these galactic powers (if they exist) will prevent the creation of AGI.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

scotty79 wrote: post #81
likeabbas wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s nothing to doubt. It’s all on Twitter. TheCholla has done a fantastic job showing here what f18s look like at different distances on FLIR https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=... Mick refuses to accept the fact the distance is 6-8nm as the pilots stated it was shown on their SAs. Ryan Graves asked Mick to present his analysis at a coalition of former military pilots for them to debate h…

> But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was ... farther than instruments indicated ... Which still beats "it's aliens" by a long shot.

Multiple of the most sophisticated instruments for this purpose on the planet are capturing this data. If the US was flying F18s that misconstrued the range of a foreign adversary by over 20 nautical miles, that would be a huge story in of itself.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by scotty79 »

mach1ne wrote: post #79
isaacg wrote: post #76

These videos just look like optical artifacts of the lenses of the cameras, as discussed here: https://youtu.be/jHDlfIaBEqw Is there any evidence that there's more to these videos than that?

The countless eye witnesses for one.

Human perception is easily manipulated by peer pressure.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by swagasaurus-rex »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #74
likeabbas wrote: post #17

I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics. This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=... This paper shows the tic tac video e…

This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.

Seen through instrumentation, aberrations or artefacts from the sensors, or even active jamming could explain the instantaneous acceleration

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by jml7c5 »

runjake wrote: post #31
dopeboy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you say is the most credible incident that everyone should take seriously?

The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

Weren't there only four witnesses? The pilots were the only ones who saw anything with their own eyes. And there's been no release of sensor data or video, so it's hard to judge its quality. (The 'FLIR1' video was taken later, by different pilots who did not see their object visually, and simply shows a distant hot object slowly moving left, with no inexplicable manoeuvers.) That the ship radar was purportedly bouncing between maximum altitude and reasonable altitude suggests a software or hardware issue, or electronic interference.
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