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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mxkopy »

mabbo wrote: post #20

I think what bothers us most about incidents like this is that any country or human organization that had massive air superiority over everyone else would inevitably use it to their advantage. And yet, here are the reports, but no one is coming forward to say "yes, we Canadians actually never cancelled the Avro Arrow and have been decades ahead of the rest of you all this time- now please remove that Danish flag from…

If this technology were developed by a private individual, there's incentive to keep it hidden. No businessperson wants to have a military grade target on their back, but I feel like some are paranoid/wealthy enough to want to develop their own tech

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by stevenhuang »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #59
llamaLord wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't tell if being sarcastic or not... But the vast majority of us carry an at least 12 megapixel camera in our pocket literally everywhere we go now...

https://xkcd.com/1235/

The mystery of the lack of good footage in the age of smartphones is less mysterious when one considers that perhaps the phenomenon itself is intelligent.

And in fact if one considers witness testimony, that's what it seems to be.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by h2odragon »

mabbo wrote: post #20

I think what bothers us most about incidents like this is that any country or human organization that had massive air superiority over everyone else would inevitably use it to their advantage. And yet, here are the reports, but no one is coming forward to say "yes, we Canadians actually never cancelled the Avro Arrow and have been decades ahead of the rest of you all this time- now please remove that Danish flag from…

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by harimau777 »

throwbmw wrote: post #43
marmetio wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.

Many of the characteristics of these beings are consistent with Jinns as described in Islamic teachings. Initially described in Quran and further elaborated in Hadith and then by various Sufi masters. Sufi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.

I'm not that familiar with the folklore around Jinn. Do the similarities go beyond those you could draw for other legendary creatures like ghosts or angels?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by themodelplumber »

runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

There are/were also pilots specifically going for that effect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6nox5_QStw&t=1082s

This despite the existence of people like Rendlesham's Colonel Halt, and so on, is, indeed, a very interesting military-UAP venn-ecosystem. I think it's a fascinating combination to study.

Military psychology also naturally disincentivizes "looking into things" (see for example Colonel Halt's thoughts on "what to do about it"[1]) and there's a ping-pong false dichotomy that develops: Did we make it or didn't we; Did we cause it or didn't we. It's the perfect recipe for meaningless distraction from very important questions.

This problem also further isolates important aspects of the military role in potentially damming up exploration & science efforts, especially when we examine its comparatively premium level of day-in, day-out access to what are de facto scientifically-capable exploration & discovery tools.

Is it any wonder, in that light, that the accompanying de facto "scientists", i.e. pilots, radar operators, and privileged officers, are seeing extraordinary things? No. And that's a huge opportunity wrapped up in a problem, because the chartering mindset interferes.

1. “There’s no doubt it was something beyond anything we know or understand. […] I have concerns, but I don’t think we can do anything about it. I think this is beyond us.”

“So: Quit worrying about it.” -- From just after the 8m mark in:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cswsp9

(An example of a rather stunning mindset, given the circumstances, and in comparison to the known-reliable mindset of exploratory effort / scientific learning & exploration)

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by stevenhuang »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #60
likeabbas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft…

I'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposit…

If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman:

https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y

> There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws.

I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all.

We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by FpUser »

I saw one myself when I was at University. Was watching night sky, lying on a beach at Black Sea resort. Basically it looked a regular satellite crossing a night sky of which one can usually see more than enough. Suddenly the "satellite" has made an instant 90 degree turn and kept going before disappearing over the horizon.

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Post by noizejoy »

likeabbas wrote: post #18
dharmab wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The SA page on the MPCD is very small and cluttered. Is it possible that the pilots made a mistake?

According to one of the pilots, there is a longer, classified video of the incident that shows the SA page and has the distance listed there. People make mistakes, but data doesn’t. And according to these pilots and the former head of the DoD UAP program, the data shows that there are craft moving in our airspace with impunity.

> People make mistakes, but data doesn’t.

But data collection, storage, retrieval and/or interpretation may contain errors.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by edgyquant »

harimau777 wrote: post #64
throwbmw wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of the characteristics of these beings are consistent with Jinns as described in Islamic teachings. Initially described in Quran and further elaborated in Hadith and then by various Sufi masters. Sufi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.

I'm not that familiar with the folklore around Jinn. Do the similarities go beyond those you could draw for other legendary creatures like ghosts or angels?

Jinn are angels (or angels are Jinn) according to Islam.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

ttpphd wrote: post #49
likeabbas wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mick and others do a great job. But they often leave key details out or selectively choose facts. For example, with the GIMBAL video, the pilots are on record saying the object is 6-8 nautical miles (NM) away as they saw on their Situation Awareness (SA) Screen. Mick’s attempt to debunk the GIMBAL rotation asserts that the object was 30 NM away, and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement.…

>and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement. Hmm I'm doubtful about this. It would be very unlike him. I found his explanation quite illuminating, and the pilot he had a back and forth with was interesting. It's been a few months since I checked but last I did, I was satisfied that Mick made a good case for why the others are wrong about the distance.

There’s nothing to doubt. It’s all on Twitter. TheCholla has done a fantastic job showing here what f18s look like at different distances on FLIR https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=...

Mick refuses to accept the fact the distance is 6-8nm as the pilots stated it was shown on their SAs. Ryan Graves asked Mick to present his analysis at a coalition of former military pilots for them to debate him, but he said he was “too busy”.

Again, mick does a great job debunking things that should be debunked. But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was

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