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Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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I scored most (if not all) of my career-defining opportunities from hallway convos after a meeting, or chatting while waiting for coffee to brew, so YMMV.

This seems wild to me. It seems like the company and managers are doing something wrong if all your advancement is coming from random unofficial chats.

Wow where do you work that management has their shit together that well?

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I'm not a direct employer, mostly an investor and solo entrepreneur who has low likelihood of ever employing people again. Used to be a big employer until sold my company. Personally I have seen lots of different work in my previous work, and I just don't believe that remote work provides as much value for the shareholders. Productivity is likely better as remote, but the communication and trust issues cause problems…

> People often end up working on wrong things. The must have pretty bad managers then. Why should there be a trust issue? My manager assigns me a task, I do it on time and they are happy or I fail to do it on time and they are unhappy. How does where I do that task make a difference? I think the return to office thing is just a cover for incompetent management.

Yeah, let's say that it is incompetent management. As an business owner, you can fix the situation either by forcing people into offices, or firing the bad managers and recruiting a competent management instead. To me the latter solution sounds crazy expensive and difficult compared to the first.

Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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I scored most (if not all) of my career-defining opportunities from hallway convos after a meeting, or chatting while waiting for coffee to brew, so YMMV.

This seems wild to me. It seems like the company and managers are doing something wrong if all your advancement is coming from random unofficial chats.

That's exactly how managers advance. Through good personal relationships across the organization, rapport, "alignment".

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Depends on the environment. If your team is open to casual conversations and comfortable going off topics, then this likely isn't an issue. But, if your team is very metrics focused, you may not see levels of casual conversation that build rapport and build on ideas that come up on conversation. Sometimes a casual conversation is all it needs to hook a random thought into successful action. I like having casual talks…

I’m a Sr. Director. There is nothing but non sense in any claims that say random shout outs as people are breezing between one unnecessary meeting and another are useful. It just doesn’t happen. The only useful conversations are thoughtful, planned, and collaborative. Almost never what happens in a hallway nor in most meetings, frankly. Let’s dispel with any of this outdated thinking. Remote work is here to say and i…

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Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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For those who are replying with "all my projects were remote before anyway" or "I was on video conference before fully remote work too!" - how many of these co-workers on video were at another office site, or had worked at an office site before "going remote?" Before 2020, I also had video attendees in almost every meeting, but they were either at another office site where they still had a peer group and some co-loca…

it's funny that some assume that before 2019 remote work didn't exist and everything was done in-office... :-)

Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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I'm a wfh proponent. However, could the mission to the moon have been done from home, today? In the timeframe that it was completed? I'm sure there's good arguments on either side. But there's something special about the face to face connection that you can't replace with emails and video conference. I believe humans are more effective at getting things done, in person.

Another fact is that today's managers are all from a time before cellphones existed... For the most part. If you're 30 something years old, you remember when you still picked up a book or hung out with your friends at the mall. Which makes me believe that it will take a generational shift for us to truly abandon the office... Whether that's a good thing or bad.

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I dislike remote work, because I live in a small apartment which means I don't have a special room for work and that leads to the fact that my work and my free time sometimes aren't clearly separated anymore. I also think that there are people who are good at remote work and people who aren't, the people who aren't mostly abuse wfh, while the other group strifes in it.

Heres the catch-22 for me. I dislike remote work where I currently live because I am in a small 1 bed apartment with a child so it's literally impossible to get work done. But why am I in this tiny apartment? Because my company insists we be in the office at least 3 days per week and therefore I cannot afford a bigger place in the most expensive city in my country. I want remote so I can improve my living circumstances.

Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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"There’s a lot of collaboration and spontaneous connection that happens in hallways and kitchenettes." I've seen this idea repeated many times, but in over 20 years in the tech industry, I've never once seen a meaningful collaboration spring up in a kitchenette or hallway. It's invariably "how was your weekend?" fare. Don't get me wrong, there's value in connecting that way, but it's never the sort of thing that dire…

I scored most (if not all) of my career-defining opportunities from hallway convos after a meeting, or chatting while waiting for coffee to brew, so YMMV.

So we should require that everyone be in an office, so that people like you can get their career-defining opportunities? Maybe many of us would be fine making that trade-off: fewer opportunities for career-defining opportunities in exchange for the elimination of a commute, more-comfortable working arrangements, and a much more flexible work schedule.

Not everything in life is about career advancement.

Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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I’m a Sr. Director. There is nothing but non sense in any claims that say random shout outs as people are breezing between one unnecessary meeting and another are useful. It just doesn’t happen. The only useful conversations are thoughtful, planned, and collaborative. Almost never what happens in a hallway nor in most meetings, frankly. Let’s dispel with any of this outdated thinking. Remote work is here to say and i…

Remote work is here to stay. I don’t agree that there is nothing that comes out of casual interactions at a physical workspace. This is where relationship building happens. I firmly believe that it is possible to build strong relationships in a remote or hybrid workplace. It just needs to be done intentionally. And naturally, it takes a different form than casual hallways conversation.

Yeah this can be done remotely

Engineer only stand ups are a good one

Re: Ask HN: Employers, why do you want us back in the office?

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You may be surprised to know that one can do meal prep and pay attention to sprint refinement at the same time. For me, having something to do with my hands while talking helps to keep me focused.

You're supposed to be actively participating in refinement. Reading the story being talked about, looking up documentation, checking on potential solutions, and other things of that nature. You can't do that with raw chicken on your hands or while walking to the fridge to get veggies. The fact that this has to be explained to people is why there's a push to return to the office.

Maybe put your condescension away for a second and try to understand a different perspective.

Your refinements work a little different than mine. In mine, the SME or the person who opened the issue (often the same person) reads the story, gives any extra context, answers questions, etc., we assign a point value, and move on. Refinement can be a discussion -- it doesn't always have to be a research session.

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