One thing I don't understand about the movie, even after reading the screenplay etc. is why does Vincent claim the doctors knew the exact time of his death just seconds after he was born? They clearly don't and can't, given the entire rest of the movie. Are the doctors just reading out the exact middle of the probability distribution (or the time with the absolute highest probability), to way more precision than actu…
> Are the doctors just reading out the exact middle of the probability distribution
The movie was very explicit about reading out high probabilities for Vincent's problems. So they're not certainties, but they are treated as such by the wider society which is why he narrated it as if it was a certainty.
No joke, this film helped me get over really bad mental stuff. That the human spirit can sort of compensate for pretty much anything is what I find beautiful. But the bad side is the faustian bargain, the sacrifice.
Same for me. I often think about this movie along with your point about how some people have to pay more for their dreams. The way that I think about things now I think reflects the protagonist in the movie: In many ways it doesn't matter. The goal and the obsession that some people have is so all-consumming that they'd pay any price to achieve it. There's a scene where ethan hawke's character has to go through a pai…
Completely true. I found myself last year waking up every day saying fuck it, 5 caffeine pills to read the next book and same thing tomorrow, suffering is relative and sort of fake, it's just an experience like any other. There's only one life so it doesn't matter how easy someone else has it, that's inaccessible. Anyway I was fucked up over my brain and balls being fucked up from birth and losing 50% of my net worth but now that I am like two months away from owning a house and have the job that I want I've forgotten what used to bother me it's not even on the map anymore, call it nonattachment or call it positive nihilism you just grow past things. Im healed after surgery and walk normally, I blend in so and so and that's good enough
I believe advances in AI will make the core plot idea of the film obsolete. It is a good movie, but even the most genetically perfect human will probably not have a fraction of the intelligence of AI. He will be, relatively speaking, a mere dummy like the rest of us. Thus the future as shown in this film will not happen. However, good sci-fi is actually always about the present. And the movie has a lot of interesting…
The wealthiest classes in the world will select their kids to be genetically superior to others in many ways.
A 'natural' human will be so inferior to these people that they can only exist in subclass
lol how exactly do you expect him to change things if he stayed? Once he's back he'll be able to actually make a difference with the status/resources he got by leaving.
It tells you something about HN that there are like ten replies arguing that he should have the right to be selfish, and only one that recognizes that he was doing exactly what people from minorities did in the past to overturn the belief that they couldn't do anything.
I think the reason is because I am an actual mintority who is doing the same thing. It's exactly why I relate to the movie despite being a woman.
I guess I never thought it was much more than a good movie. I mean what is the message supposed to be? For one thing the main character has a heart condition and absolutely should be weeded out of the space mission he is trying to get on. As a larger point about a dystopian future with discrimination based on genetic characteristics I don't think it works either. We discriminate like that based on genetics now. It's…
That's the point of the movie. It's like the current world but amplified.
I found it really hard to relate to any of the characters in the film, to the point where they were barely recognizable as humans. Does it make sense, in a world like the one in Gattaca, for a person that is part of a discriminated class, to go into space, instead of trying to change the society around him to be less discriminatory? It seemed to me like the whole effort was a self-motivated, flaccid revenge fantasy t…
In my imagined ending he _does_ die in space, but after accomplishing something great and as a result the obstacles he overcame to get there become known and contribute to the very slow process of realigning society.
I believe advances in AI will make the core plot idea of the film obsolete. It is a good movie, but even the most genetically perfect human will probably not have a fraction of the intelligence of AI. He will be, relatively speaking, a mere dummy like the rest of us. Thus the future as shown in this film will not happen. However, good sci-fi is actually always about the present. And the movie has a lot of interesting…
I am not so sure of that future. I do believe that AI will have incredible capabilities. I also think the human race would destroy the planet trying to maintain control. We will do everything possible to make AI a slave to our wills, up to and including genetically engineering ourselves to brain-computer interface with and dominate AIs if that’s what it takes.
I understand the established narrative is that AI will zoom past us and subjugate us before we even realize it. I saw we would never go down without a fight and our survival and domination instinct is more powerful than any machine.
How did he get away with Idiocracy? I thought it was a good movie and somewhat prescient, but if you peel back the layers it is basically advocating some kind of population control or eugenics policy. Or it is just a comedy, but I hear it frequently cited as a dramatized version of a plausible future.
> it is basically advocating some kind of population control or eugenics policy I think this says more about the viewer than the film.
The problem it raises is: only idiots are having kids so in the future everyone is an idiot.
The opening scene is literally a generic portrayal of trailer trash having 8 kids and you didn’t get that implication at all? Wow your a real saint.
What did you think the implications of the film were?
I guess I never thought it was much more than a good movie. I mean what is the message supposed to be? For one thing the main character has a heart condition and absolutely should be weeded out of the space mission he is trying to get on. As a larger point about a dystopian future with discrimination based on genetic characteristics I don't think it works either. We discriminate like that based on genetics now. It's…
IMO the message is that you can change your destiny with grit and effort, no matter what any authority (even science) says, and trying that is worth it, even if you fail.
I think it is a movie about life and how ruthless it is.