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As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

ttpphd wrote: post #4

This is a great reminder that I need to bookmark metabunk.org, where Mick West and others go into enormous detail about the UAP evidence, including simulations and reconstructions.

Mick and others do a great job. But they often leave key details out or selectively choose facts.

For example, with the GIMBAL video, the pilots are on record saying the object is 6-8 nautical miles (NM) away as they saw on their Situation Awareness (SA) Screen. Mick’s attempt to debunk the GIMBAL rotation asserts that the object was 30 NM away, and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement.

Other scientists have done extensive efforts to show that the rotation of the gimbal object directly correlates with the flight path, which shows to be a vertical u-turn exactly as described by the pilots who had access to the SA https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=...

Metabunk have debunked a lot of things very well. But they have not debunked the 3 navy videos. I can provide more evidence to the analysis on the other two videos to show that these objects are exhibiting foight characteristics that are unique and defy the laws of physics.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by stevenhuang »

hwillis wrote: post #6

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter…

They do, in fact all the time.

You just don't hear about it because of stigma.

See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video.

Observed behavior:

> The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraft, shone a light on the 767 and briefly approached the aircraft. Then it instantly matched the speed, and heading of the aircraft and maintained a consistent separation.

a. The light descended vertically, stopped abruptly, and shone a light on the 767 causing the crew to believe that there was another airliner on a collision heading with its landing lights on.

b. It changed direction from vertical descent to a sudden stop/hover, to approaching the aircraft briefly, to taking the same heading and speed of the aircraft at about the same altitude and an estimated distance of 1-2k ft.

c. It matched the altitude, speed, and heading of the aircraft, 575mph and at 37,000ft for over 32 minutes.

d. The UAP/Light changed colors and turned away from the aircraft on a perpendicular heading, West, just inside the Mexico/US border.

e. The UAP/light did not have wings or running lights. It was a new and unique observation to the experienced air crew.

> It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability

And in fact, apparently they do here too. It's been documented these UAPs have an interest in our nuclear capabilities. There has been many testimonies from people in the military these UAPs buzz around nuclear silos and apparently are able to disable them. See this well researched video for information on Robert Hastings https://youtu.be/l4EXL7jgqns

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by dopeboy »

runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

What would you say is the most credible incident that everyone should take seriously?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by dharmab »

likeabbas wrote: post #11
ttpphd wrote: post #4

This is a great reminder that I need to bookmark metabunk.org, where Mick West and others go into enormous detail about the UAP evidence, including simulations and reconstructions.

Mick and others do a great job. But they often leave key details out or selectively choose facts. For example, with the GIMBAL video, the pilots are on record saying the object is 6-8 nautical miles (NM) away as they saw on their Situation Awareness (SA) Screen. Mick’s attempt to debunk the GIMBAL rotation asserts that the object was 30 NM away, and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement.…

The SA page on the MPCD is very small and cluttered. Is it possible that the pilots made a mistake?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by krapp »

hwillis wrote: post #6

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter…

>Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air.

They do. Here's a Forbes article about it[0].

I'm firmly in the "it isn't aliens" camp but there are no shortage of UFO/UAP reports with multiple, credible eyewitnesses.

[0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/06/26...

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by krapp »

runjake wrote: post #8

I worked on stealth aircraft that would occasionally cause civilian UFO reports. It was common for the reports to mention that these UFOs maneuvered unlike any man-made aircraft, which was always a good chuckle because they were usually just flying straight or banking normally. However when seasoned military pilots like Fravor speak on the matter, I listen. When a bunch of them speak about the same incident, I take t…

Were they really really big, black and triangular?

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics.

This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=...

This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph https://www.explorescu.org/post/2004-uss-nimitz-strike-navy-...

Here is a paper from the National Aeronautical Observatory in Ukraine that tracked UAP via their two telescopes in different cities going Mach 15, stopping, and changing directions instantaneously https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.17085.pdf

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by likeabbas »

dharmab wrote: post #14
likeabbas wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mick and others do a great job. But they often leave key details out or selectively choose facts. For example, with the GIMBAL video, the pilots are on record saying the object is 6-8 nautical miles (NM) away as they saw on their Situation Awareness (SA) Screen. Mick’s attempt to debunk the GIMBAL rotation asserts that the object was 30 NM away, and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement.…

The SA page on the MPCD is very small and cluttered. Is it possible that the pilots made a mistake?

According to one of the pilots, there is a longer, classified video of the incident that shows the SA page and has the distance listed there.

People make mistakes, but data doesn’t. And according to these pilots and the former head of the DoD UAP program, the data shows that there are craft moving in our airspace with impunity.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by MichaelZuo »

stevenhuang wrote: post #12
hwillis wrote: post #6

Why don't commercial pilots report the same things? I believe they have far more time in the air. It seems very, very unlikely aliens would have any interest in our military capability. Even ignoring the technological implications of interstellar flight or the ability to enter our atmosphere without being detected, these objects are apparently massively more capable than any kind of vehicle we have. To them a fighter…

They do, in fact all the time. You just don't hear about it because of stigma. See this NARCAP (civilian flight safety) report https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20 for a case where a FedEx flight crew documented an encounter with the commonly reported pulsating orb type anomaly. There is a video. Observed behavior: > The UAP/Light came from above and stopped/hovered near FL37, about the same altitude as the aircraf…

I find the Alaska case to be the most interesting. As the visual report of an object was supported by detections from the Soviet facing long range radar that were state of the art at the time.

Re: As a US Navy fighter pilot, I witnessed unidentified anomalous phenomena

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Post by mabbo »

I think what bothers us most about incidents like this is that any country or human organization that had massive air superiority over everyone else would inevitably use it to their advantage.

And yet, here are the reports, but no one is coming forward to say "yes, we Canadians actually never cancelled the Avro Arrow and have been decades ahead of the rest of you all this time- now please remove that Danish flag from Hans Island".

It's such a foreign idea that someone might have this advantage and not use it that the best answer we have is "I guess they aren't humans". Maybe that says a lot about us.

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