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Do you really believe the USAF and rest of the military and 3 letter agencies had not already intercepted/jammed/hacked the comms link? By letting it saunter all the way across they also probably got a lot of good info on its capabilities.

I think you're being overly generous in attributing competency/capability. Just thinking about the physics of it, robustly jamming an unknown signal of a transmitter 60KM high seems like a rather impossible task. If the air force were somehow broadcasting several megawatts of broad spectrum noise over a populated area, somebody would have noticed. The authorities in charge have no real idea what's going on or what th…

> If the air force were somehow broadcasting several megawatts of broad spectrum noise over a populated area, somebody would have noticed.

Interesting that you think modern jamming works that way. It doesn't.

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I’m sure in 1970s nobody nobody thought GPS would become a reality within a decade. “They will never be able to pinpoint position that way!” My guy. It’s the United States military. All the shit we use is a by product of their first move. If it seems impossible today they’ve already figured it out. Not to mention they made a nuclear bomb and the Manhattan project was an insane achievement.

Weird... Most groundbreaking research, and the consumer tech that eventually comes from it, seems to come out of post-secondary and tech/research companies. Crazy to think it's all a front and it's actually stemming from the US Military. Thank you for your service!

Not that crazy. Public knowledge, even. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Lincoln_Laboratory

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Regarding the last point of US putting balloons over China, that page has the following two paragraphs: "Worldwide, there are about 1,300 upper-air stations. Observations are made by the NWS at 92 stations - 69 in the conterminous United States, 13 in Alaska, nine in the Pacific, and one in Puerto Rico. NWS supports the operation of 10 other stations in the Caribbean. Through international agreements data are exchang…

Why would there be stations there if the balloons aren't flying over China?

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Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Imagine how expensive it was to shoot down this balloon. We sent an expensive F22 which burned a ton of fuel and then shot a very expensive missile at the balloon AND several ships had to clean up several miles of debris?? Send China the check.

Pilots burn a ton of fuel while training. The USAF probably welcomed the opportunity to conduct a novel mission with very little risk.

Plus, now the F-22 won’t go down in history as a fighter that had 0 kills.

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They can use strong encryption, but can they protect their private keys?

Asymmetric encryption. The private key does not have to be stored in the balloon at all (only the public key that can encrypt but NOT decrypt), it can stay safely in a PLA datacenter in China.

Does anyone actually use asymmetric encryption to encrypt data?

I thought asymmetric encryption was just used to encrypt the symmetric key used to encrypt the data…

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> What the hell was Xi thinking? Pelosi visited Taiwan before last Chinese elections which ensured Xi would win. If it's meant to be, better for Xi to have USA attempt to fight multiple fronts concurrently.

So are you saying there was a chance someone else would win? I don't understand your priors to be honest. Elections don't really matter all that much in China. And it's not as though he has much opposition inside the party either. Would love to know your thoughts

Does USA benefit from fighting multiple fronts concurrently: Russia, China, maybe Iran.

The Ukraine conflict could be over in a week, but governments thrive on conflicts.

'German chancellor Angela Merkel said that the Minsk agreements had been an attempt to "give Ukraine time" to build up its defences.'

https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-russia-may-have-make-ukr...

World going into more cold war benefits which groups in governments?

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Judging from the videos that pan from the moon to the balloon: the balloon was about 3x smaller in the sky than the moon. Knowing the altitude of the balloon was 68,000 feet, we can fudge the distance from the observer to the balloon as 100,000 feet. Knowing the distance to the moon and the radius of the moon we can use like triangles to estimate that the balloon was ~285 feet across, +/- 20% for estimates. Edit: upd…

Size of a football field, got it

How many washing machines?

Re: U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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Wish it was a drone that shot it down. Then it would be the first unmanned aircraft dog fight.

It wouldn’t be the first. Drone on drone fights happened in Ukraine.

Here's one:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/this-drone-versus-dron...

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