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De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by at_a_remove »

abraxas wrote: post #6

Let’s pause for a bit and dwell on the absurd amount of RAM it takes to run it even after this exercise. Anyone here remember when QNX shipped a demo in 2000 with a kernel, GUI, web browser and an email client on a single 3.5” floppy? The memory footprint was also a few megabytes. I’m not saying we should be staying within some miserly arbitrary constraints, but my goodness something that draws UI and manages process…

Indeed. When I de-bloated Windows NT workstation, I could reliably get it down to fourteen megabytes of RAM.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

pas wrote: post #52
Dalewyn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot more than you think: * Steam (the root process, not the subsequent Chromium child processes) is 32-bit, as are a lot of games. * Discord is 32-bit.

How come people run these Electron apps separately when they run pretty well as tabs/windows in the browser?

Because integration into the desktop is better as an Electron app. Eg sound and video calls, keyboard shortcuts, not having to worry about finding your Discord/Slack/whatever tab

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by nine_k »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #26
ShaneMcGowan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t need to worry about memory efficiency until we stop getting gains via hardware improvements. For now developers can just slap a web app into some chromium based wrapper, make sure their code doesn’t have any n^2 in it and you’re good to go.

Tell that to the person on a fixed income who has to invest in an expensive new machine because their 2015 laptop (which still has a whopping 4 GB of memory and a CPU that would have been top-of-the-line twenty years ago) has become unusably slow. Software efficiency is a serious equity and environmental issue, and I wish more people would see it that way.

No need to invest into an expensive new machine; a device from 5 years ago, with some more added RAM, would already be pretty adequate. Typing this from a Thinkpad T470 which was introduced in 2017, which is my main workhorse machine.

A top-of-the-line laptop CPU from 20 years ago likely just doesn't support addressing more than 4GB or RAM. Forcing it to work on modern resource-heavy Web pages and media is like forcing a GPU from 20 years a go to run Skyrim. It's just not adequate.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by josefx »

DrewRWx wrote: post #45
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the person on a fixed income who has to invest in an expensive new machine because their 2015 laptop (which still has a whopping 4 GB of memory and a CPU that would have been top-of-the-line twenty years ago) has become unusably slow. Software efficiency is a serious equity and environmental issue, and I wish more people would see it that way.

It is depressing that I had this same argument in college a decade ago and people are still so cavalier about not optimizing their code.

To be fair, if you forced programmers to write efficient code you would just make everything more expensive and flood the market for unskilled labor with university graduates that can't find their own ass.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by college_physics »

There really should be a penalty for gratuitous waste of resources. Energy consumption is neither free nor without adverse impacts. The era of planed obsolescence, bloatware expanding to gobble up and justify ever more hardware is over.

A fresh take on the desktop given the monstrous devices that are now available in terms of cpu, memory etc may completely redefine the footprint of personal computing

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by at_a_remove »

haunter wrote: post #83
wkat4242 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version comes with the same crapware, Windows app store, "recommended" Microsoft account, telemetry that can't be turned off etc. It's just a stable version frozen in time but heralding it as the bloat-free alternative is no longer true. I have access to it through work and I gave it a spin recently but it's no longer what it used to be.

>LTSC is no longer debloated. The latest version Which one? Or I guess it's not a public release? I have installed IoT 2021 (Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 Version 21H2) like 3 weeks ago there was nothing, no App Store, less telemetry (there is some but significantly less than on the "normal" Windows versions, but I reinstalled the App Store so maybe because of that) *Edited the wording It looks like this as a f…

This seems magically good.

Now, of course, the struggle is to see how I can get the ISO and get it activated. I'm woefully out of the loop.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by arbitrage »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #26
ShaneMcGowan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t need to worry about memory efficiency until we stop getting gains via hardware improvements. For now developers can just slap a web app into some chromium based wrapper, make sure their code doesn’t have any n^2 in it and you’re good to go.

Tell that to the person on a fixed income who has to invest in an expensive new machine because their 2015 laptop (which still has a whopping 4 GB of memory and a CPU that would have been top-of-the-line twenty years ago) has become unusably slow. Software efficiency is a serious equity and environmental issue, and I wish more people would see it that way.

Expecting your 8+ year old laptop to run as well as it did when it was new is completely unreasonable.

That has never been a reasonable expectation in the history of computing.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by lambdaxymox »

Are the enterprise versions of Windows 11 also filled with bloat?

I got some keys second-hand for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC a few years ago, installed it on some ten year old hardware at the time, and I was honestly surprised how responsive Windows could be absent (to the best of my knowledge) the telemetry software, Cortana, etc., and how fast it could boot. It's almost like the true blue good Windows experience without all the nonsense is secretly reserved for only business customers and pirates.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Post by 72deluxe »

college_physics wrote: post #106

There really should be a penalty for gratuitous waste of resources. Energy consumption is neither free nor without adverse impacts. The era of planed obsolescence, bloatware expanding to gobble up and justify ever more hardware is over. A fresh take on the desktop given the monstrous devices that are now available in terms of cpu, memory etc may completely redefine the footprint of personal computing

Try telling that to the users of Slack and other modern "desktop" applications that are simply web browsers with poorly-implemented UI elements attempting to mimic native UI elements (like menus).

I wish your idea took off, but the modern "developer" (even with insane amounts of funding) seems capable of only writing memory-hogging garbage.

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