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The Linux Upskill Challenge

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Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#11

Post by 29athrowaway »

You can achieve much more learning in 20 days.

Important fundamentals are omitted but some oddly specific subjects are cherry-picked and given an unusual amount of attention like running nmap. Running nmap (a portscanner) can get you fired from your job and there's precedent of this.

The text formatting is inconsistent. Reader mode makes it better, but a simple markdown file would have clearer.

Explaining what a service is before explaining what a task is, is weird.

APT is mentioned, but APT is specific to Debian-based distros. Debian is not mentioned a single time in the article. Other distros use other package management systems.

You should use nftables instead of iptables. iptables is deprecated.

This article just reinforces that "learning Linux" is simply learning some few random commands.

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#12

Post by ttrefa »

analognoise wrote: post #9
xylophile wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of which team you're on or why, the base installs of almost every distro includes vi or vim, but many leave out emacs and nano. Since you have to pick one editor to be the first one taught, it makes sense to teach vim to avoid losing the learner.

This is as it should be. Emacs is about enlightenment; enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination; it is a journey you must choose. Along the way, you might accidentally edit text files. That's not the point. Anyway, makes sense to me why it's not default included.

> Emacs is about enlightenment;

And that's why I'm on team Vim. I rather not use a tool that needs/uses cult-like slogans to convince people to keep them hooked. I want the usefulness to be the reason, not some kind of belief system.

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#13

Post by CalRobert »

29athrowaway wrote: post #11

You can achieve much more learning in 20 days. Important fundamentals are omitted but some oddly specific subjects are cherry-picked and given an unusual amount of attention like running nmap. Running nmap (a portscanner) can get you fired from your job and there's precedent of this. The text formatting is inconsistent. Reader mode makes it better, but a simple markdown file would have clearer. Explaining what a serv…

What alternatives do you suggest?

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#14

Post by sigjuice »

asicsp wrote: post #7
cbsks wrote: post #5

I’m on team vim, but it is still interesting to me that the challenge has vim but not emacs. I would think that an introduction to Linux would include both.

Probably because emacs is not installed by default?

TRAMP could also work, depending on the situation.

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#15

Post by imwillofficial »

ttrefa wrote: post #12
analognoise wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is as it should be. Emacs is about enlightenment; enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination; it is a journey you must choose. Along the way, you might accidentally edit text files. That's not the point. Anyway, makes sense to me why it's not default included.

> Emacs is about enlightenment; And that's why I'm on team Vim. I rather not use a tool that needs/uses cult-like slogans to convince people to keep them hooked. I want the usefulness to be the reason, not some kind of belief system.

It was a joke my friend

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#16

Post by pxc »

ttrefa wrote: post #12
analognoise wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is as it should be. Emacs is about enlightenment; enlightenment is a path to be walked not a destination; it is a journey you must choose. Along the way, you might accidentally edit text files. That's not the point. Anyway, makes sense to me why it's not default included.

> Emacs is about enlightenment; And that's why I'm on team Vim. I rather not use a tool that needs/uses cult-like slogans to convince people to keep them hooked. I want the usefulness to be the reason, not some kind of belief system.

It's just a bit of playfulness.

Nobody is 'hooked' on Emacs because of slogans. A person uses Emacs because they like it.

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#17

Post by imwillofficial »

29athrowaway wrote: post #11

You can achieve much more learning in 20 days. Important fundamentals are omitted but some oddly specific subjects are cherry-picked and given an unusual amount of attention like running nmap. Running nmap (a portscanner) can get you fired from your job and there's precedent of this. The text formatting is inconsistent. Reader mode makes it better, but a simple markdown file would have clearer. Explaining what a serv…

This type of bizarrely hostile criticism would be so much more helpful as a more thorough list of areas to improve AND detailed suggestions on improvement.

Anyone can take shots, but a PR takes guts.

Like you come in hot, then proceeded to not tell me how to learn more in 20 days, you tease.

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#18

Post by pxc »

cbsks wrote: post #5

I’m on team vim, but it is still interesting to me that the challenge has vim but not emacs. I would think that an introduction to Linux would include both.

In this day and age, an intro to Linux should probably recommend an editor which has CUA shortcuts by default, like micro, or most GUI editors.

I don't think an intro to GNU/Linux really also needs to be an intro to a text editor at all. Just teach people the man command, tell them a few of the editors that exist, and maybe mention tools like vimtutor.

Re: The Linux Upskill Challenge

#19

Post by antisceptic »

29athrowaway wrote: post #11

You can achieve much more learning in 20 days. Important fundamentals are omitted but some oddly specific subjects are cherry-picked and given an unusual amount of attention like running nmap. Running nmap (a portscanner) can get you fired from your job and there's precedent of this. The text formatting is inconsistent. Reader mode makes it better, but a simple markdown file would have clearer. Explaining what a serv…

Just like we are all lectured by sudo at one point, neophytes should be lectured on not using nmap, especially on production Corporate IT, unless they are part of a red team activity.
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