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St. John’s Reading List: A Great Books Curriculum

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It's an interesting approach. They do like the classic sources. I've at least skimmed more than half of those titles, long after college. It's amusing that they have students read Pikkety's "Capital" before Marx's "Capital". You don't want to learn geometry from Euclid. You read Euclid after you already know geometry, to see how he built it up. Similarly, you don't want to learn calculus from Newton. Or physics from…

Those are excellent suggestions. I think we are probably at the point where you could do a Great Books curriculum in Computer Science. Would be interesting to put together that list: 10-20 foundational primary texts in Algorithms, Programming/Software Engineering, Logic, AI, and Computer Architecture. But, as you note, it'd probably be a terrible way to actually learn how to engineer software. More intellectually sat…

Whole-heartedly recommend this book.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262045308/ideas-that-created-th...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll add The Syntopicon as a really good book that Adler wrote (kinda). 1. It's 2 volumes, so not just one book 2. He wrote it with the help of 11 others 3. It's more of a reference manual than a book 4. It's keyed to 58 other books All the same, The Syntopicon , I feel, is up there with the first Dictionary or Encyclopedia. A titanic effort that helps synthesize the world into a manageable tome. Getting and being ab…

I'd be interested in a copy. How can I reach you?

Hey gorgonical.

Do you have an email that I can contact you with?

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I went to SJC Santa Fe in '65-'68.

About fiften years ago I was reading child development books. I discovered this wonderful thinker Jean Piaget.

I think Piaget's first book translated into English caused a great deal of excitement, especially at the University of Chicago. Piaget's book "The Language and thought of the Child" I conjecture was the inspiration for organizing a school around a great books list and also for teaching mathematics by the demonstration and discussion method.

At St. John's the freshman math tutorial meant each student stood up, drew a triangle, lettered the corners, and recited the proof and discussed and explored the ideas and assumptions.

For myself at St. John's the great books seminar became a very slow process of analyzing and trying to restate writings. By the end of the Junior year, my final academic review called a Don Rag I can say It Did Not Go Well ("what happened Lee?").

Regarding the math side of things, a few years later I got a technician job at Cal Tech and I was allowed to enroll in Cal Tech a calculus class. By November I was dreaming of flying, I swooped on updrafts of assumptions and bold substitutions and clever identities.

I couldn't solve the winter mid term exam problem but to this day I am grateful that I saw and did the two extremes of math.

These days, I don't do much Calculus, but I do and think about knot theory and coiling. I keep stumbling across pi/2 as I coil or fold air hoses or ropes. Why must three utility pipes connecting to three houses cross? Why are the computer wires always a tangle"?

Regarding the Great Books, I recommend the Meno and then the Socratic big 5. These books are still a source of puzzlement to me.

A final question: What happens in the brain when a student stands up and does a proof at the black board? Why do opera singers stand up to sing? Why is standing up to walk a neurological milestone in the development of the child?

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Highly recommend this school.

Tried to get my oldest to go here. She reads super fast with high comprehension and loves to debate, but she's so terrified of going into debt that she's now in a state college taking computer science and saying Chat GPT is way more helpful than her professor for understanding or fixing code.

Yes, the cost is unfortunate. They do have grants and scholarships that can save a few thousand per semester, but that’s still not enough if you don’t have at least some college funds set aside.
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