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Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#241

I had an idea for a funny little startup once: “Adopt an alter ego” Essentially a marketplace where you can buy and sell prebuilt identities - complete with associated, aged, and populated social media accounts, email accounts, pictures, websites, etc. I just like the idea of being different people online.

Sounds like a side project idea: you enter a description of a persona, the bot buys some phone verified social media accounts, as well as gmail/msn/whatever (plenty of market places around) add uses GPT3 to periodically generate posts on said social media accounts, using the persona description. Then you just need to fill the pipeline with persona ideas, and get nice account packages after a couple months.

Heh, persona as a service. Sounds a bit like the "new identity" thing in Breaking Bad. But online, and an alter ago.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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> That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some sort of ethical loophole The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona.…

> The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona. There are simple ethical alternatives, just not disclose that information, or just avoid that questions. Lying in this case is clearly unacceptable.…

My preference is simply down to he act of lying increasing my cognitive load to engage with others. If I choose not to tell someone something, that's relatively easy. If I tell them something artificial, I have to maintain and harmonize that falsehood for the duration of the interaction.

Yes, I have a Blind account. In that context, I have a handle, but I resolutely refuse to knowingly say anything untrue. It's just too much work to be bothered.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Personally, I have no problem not being anonymous online. But I do prefer to have privacy online.

Some folks conflate them, but while they are related, they are not the same thing.

Sites like HN provide privacy through pseudonymity (which is, essentially, the "solution" prescribed by the author of the blog post), allowing those I interact with here to know that "I" am "Nobody9999".

Unsurprisingly, that's not the name on my passport. But on HN, you can be relatively sure (assuming I'm not also operating sock-puppet accounts as well) that my thoughts, ideas and expression are from the same person.

I preserve my privacy by not using my "legal" name here. The combination allows me to freely express myself without being tracked down, doxxed or otherwise abused by those who might disagree with me.

As for other places on the internet, I generally don't utilize sites that require verification of my personal details (an excellent example is ChatGPT, which requires not only an account, phone number verification as well), not because I'm engaged in evil/illegal/nasty behaviors, but because my business is my business and no one else's.

That's at least an attempt at preserving some semblance of privacy, but doesn't really provide anonymity.

While (as others have mentioned), my electricity provider, my landlord, my ISP, my mobile device service provider and my doctor all know who I am, where I live and an astonishing amount of information about my life, for the most part that's necessary to participating economically in society.

As such, especially given the lengths to which ISPs and mobile service providers go to to collect information about my activities, my privacy is significantly curtailed. That generally pisses me off, not because I really have anything to hide, but because (and I'll say it again), my business is my business and no one else's.

while I do understand the blog author's point of view, rather than creating an alternative persona online, I'm just me and mostly share my thoughts pseudonymously without trying to create an alternative backstory for those pseudonymous identities.

However, those who choose to use online resources that require verification of their identity, may need to take additional steps to preserve their privacy/pseudonymity. I choose not to engage in those forums and, as such, my privacy is improved a little.

Is that sufficient for me? No. Unfortunately, there's a limit to what I can do while still living "on the grid." And since I have no interest in squatting in a lean-to deep in the woods, I do have to give up some privacy.

I'd love to live in a world where collection of PII was the exception rather than the rule, but those my countrymen (with a very few exceptions) elect to legislate and execute such laws as are legislated don't seem to give a rat's ass about privacy, unless theirs is impacted.

And more's the pity.

Edit: Fixed typo.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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> Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options Woo, big claim. You're basically saying "best" can be determined entirely in terms of utility with no consideration for morality. A utilitarian world view, which not everybody shares.

> A utilitarian world view, which not everybody shares. you make it sound like it's not a complete or consistent system, but it's just a worldview where only some people have the attribute of being in the right, unfortunately an attribute not everybody shares.

I don't think its not complete, it just doesn't always apply to every situation. Thats why there are other belief systems like Deontology[1] which I tend to gravitate towards the most. Utilitarianism has plenty of issues. Doing whats right for everyone, doesn't always yield the best results for society. Sometimes you need to do whats right for the few because the masses doesn't always understand the long ranging ramifications of decisions based off this belief.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deontology)

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

Before it was de rigeur to use real names on the Internet, most of us used personas that were informed by our handles. It's unusual—I might even say unethical, if moral realism were coherent—to insist on real names as a matter of honesty given that real names disproportionately benefit the powerful. The powerless cannot use their real names on the Internet because often there are real world consequences.

I don't insist on this (or even suggest it) for others (I'm an old BBS'er), but I do generally use my real name on the internet.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some sort of ethical loophole The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona.…

> The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona. There are simple ethical alternatives, just not disclose that information, or just avoid that questions. Lying in this case is clearly unacceptable.…

I'm not sure that there is a universal social contract in place. There are many situations where a lie is acceptable or even expected.

In business dealings it's acceptable to lie about the price you are willing to pay (or receive) for a service. It is however completely unacceptable to lie about business finances when communicating with investors or the tax office.

Even in personal matters, if someone told you information to keep in confidence, and then someone else asked if you know anything about it, it is acceptable (even honorable) to lie to maintain the trust with the first person. However, there are also situations where revealing the information to the second person is the more honorable action.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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post #19

Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

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Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Indeed. Despite your best efforts, they know that Sir Olivier Stubbingwicke lives at the same address as Bill Swerski, who pays for the Comcast internet. Similarly, very few people are unaware that XFinity is the pseudonym for Comcast.

I know I'm running with the off-topic comment, but I like to point that out whenever possible. Companies know that if they just change their name, they lose any bad connotations they had with the previous name. Comcast changed the name of its Internet service to "Comcast Xfinity" for a few years, then silently dropped the "Comcast" at one point. Spectrum is also Charter, and Altria is Phillip Morris. It's crappy that…

That is so.... meta...

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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https://stylometry.net/user?username=O__________O

stylometry.net is hot garbage. Zero of the candidates that it identifies as being related to buildsjets are my actual alternate accounts. The DBCooper one is interesting, it sounds like a username I might use, but it's still not me.

FWIW, none of those are even scored even slightly high, so I don't think it is claiming something horribly incorrect.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

#250
post #19

Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

There is no ethical issue here. The companies asking for your identity generally don’t need it and providing them with a persona could be argued is the more ethical route given the implications it has on privacy and mass surveillance.

>There is no ethical issue here. The companies asking for your identity generally don’t need it and providing them with a persona could be argued is the more ethical route given the implications it has on privacy and mass surveillance.

I'd say, to quote a bad movie[0] that "the only winning move is not to play."

Giving those entities even a fake persona will negatively impact your privacy over the medium to long term. The better solution is for folks to vote with their feet and refuse to use such entities.

Sadly, that doesn't seem to be a popular choice, but that doesn't mean it isn't the right one.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames

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