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Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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Post by walterbell »

pifm_guy wrote: post #6

I really want to see ssd manufacturers offer a decent warranty... This drive costs $100, and will last 10 years or until 100TB has been written to it, as long as you keep it within the specified temperature/humidity/power conditions. If it fails to do that, we will return $1000 to you.

In theory, a 3rd party insurance equivalent to AppleCare could be constructed for some technology products, but this is hampered by short product lifecycles, lack of BOM transparency (e.g components changed within a single product generation) and ability of firmware updates to change product behavior and invalidate previously collected data on reliability.

Open-source SSD firmware would provide more transparency on performance and reliability.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

#12

Post by [deleted] »

issafram wrote: post #8
ssdpain wrote: post #5

I installed 2 x 980 Pro 2Tb in a laptop in Nov 2022. Running a daily Robocopy bat script to backup a folder in C: to D: would freeze a couple of times a week and lock the D: drive. After reboot, a drive check would find no errors and everything would work as normal. I've used the same script for years with no issues. Since the firmware update last week Robocopy has not frozen the drive at all this week.

Could you provide that batch script please? Like in a GitHub Gist or something similar.

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Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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Post by TacticalCoder »

pifm_guy wrote: post #6

I really want to see ssd manufacturers offer a decent warranty... This drive costs $100, and will last 10 years or until 100TB has been written to it, as long as you keep it within the specified temperature/humidity/power conditions. If it fails to do that, we will return $1000 to you.

Back when HDD would fail really a lot warranty was working. I'd happily fill an online form, Web 1.0 style, and then send my Seagate (I'm in Europe, was sending them to the Netherlands IIRC) disks and a few weeks later I'd receive a new drive.

I probably still have a few screenshots of these forms somewhere.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

#14

Post by dmitrygr »

ssdpain wrote: post #5

I installed 2 x 980 Pro 2Tb in a laptop in Nov 2022. Running a daily Robocopy bat script to backup a folder in C: to D: would freeze a couple of times a week and lock the D: drive. After reboot, a drive check would find no errors and everything would work as normal. I've used the same script for years with no issues. Since the firmware update last week Robocopy has not frozen the drive at all this week.

> the firmware update last week

Link to specific firmware version please?

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

#15

Post by mrtksn »

pifm_guy wrote: post #6

I really want to see ssd manufacturers offer a decent warranty... This drive costs $100, and will last 10 years or until 100TB has been written to it, as long as you keep it within the specified temperature/humidity/power conditions. If it fails to do that, we will return $1000 to you.

This sounds like an SLA agreement, its very unlikely you'll get that for 100 bucks. Even if this manufacturer somehow perfected their process and have zero defects, they are still acquiring a 10 years liability for 100 dollars of revenue.

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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Post by CharlesW »

walterbell wrote: post #11
pifm_guy wrote: post #6

I really want to see ssd manufacturers offer a decent warranty... This drive costs $100, and will last 10 years or until 100TB has been written to it, as long as you keep it within the specified temperature/humidity/power conditions. If it fails to do that, we will return $1000 to you.

In theory, a 3rd party insurance equivalent to AppleCare could be constructed for some technology products, but this is hampered by short product lifecycles, lack of BOM transparency (e.g components changed within a single product generation) and ability of firmware updates to change product behavior and invalidate previously collected data on reliability. Open-source SSD firmware would provide more transparency on p…

> Open-source SSD firmware would provide more transparency on performance and reliability.

This seems fantastic. Are you saying you could review the firmware source and know that the 980 Pro would lose ~1% of its endurance per week?

Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

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Post by [deleted] »

pifm_guy wrote: post #6

I really want to see ssd manufacturers offer a decent warranty... This drive costs $100, and will last 10 years or until 100TB has been written to it, as long as you keep it within the specified temperature/humidity/power conditions. If it fails to do that, we will return $1000 to you.

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Re: Update on Samsung SSD Reliability

#20

Post by smiley1437 »

I've been trying to find a decent endurance NVME in the m.2 form factor for write-heavy applications and it appears that true 2-bit MLC has all but disappeared, replaced by 3-bit TLC and higher (with commensurate loss of endurance)

The high endurance SSDs appear to be only available in u.2\u.3\hhhl and god-help-me EDSFF form factors

Any suggestions? Micron's 7450 isn't readily available

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