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Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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I like what this guy has to say and I like that he is centered on helping people. His writing reflects that. I have one of his blog posts on my wall "How to thrive in a unknowable future" and when this article came through Hacker News I immediately identified the name.

If the original poster wants to chime in how he found this writer that would be of interest to me. Thanks for this post. Posts like this make the world a better place to live in.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Banksy is purportedly Robin Cunningham. Google is the greatest OSINT tool ever created.

that's just one theory. everything i've read lists both del naja and gunningham as possibilities at the least, and often tosses a couple of other names into the mix.

..and some others making fakes (that's why they ad it)

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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That's not a quote that appears anywhere prior to this in the thread, from what I can see. You seem to have made it up from scratch here. The rule given above is "Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options". In the context of the thread, it's being used to justify creating a fake persona and providing false details about yourself as part of a strategy of maintaining anonymity. And alrea…

I don’t think you can argue that steal from friend is the best in that situation. If truly the options are steal from friend or starve to death right now, then perhaps but that’s not realistic. I’m not sure what you think someone should do rather than make the best decision given all options. There are many ways to absolve yourself of tricky moral quandaries. But I don’t think using a fake name on a web form is a mor…

Your entire comment here seems to agree with mine. There are no quick and easy rules for morality, it’s complex and case-by-case.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

Maybe I'm from a different era, but I still think that the best default position is that anything somebody has listed about themselves online may be a work of fiction that we shouldn't be expected to take at face value in most contexts. If encryption is not immoral, encrypting your personal information is also not immoral, even if you also want plausible deniability. Privacy is not unethical. If a persona and pseudon…

I’m not sure how you’re pulling encryption into this argument.

You can be honest or dishonest and it will be encrypted and decrypted all the same.

Your second argument to me doesn’t follow. You are saying what you say and do is more important than what you value, I think, but you are also saying that what you say and do are not important so you can be dishonest.

My conclusion is that you prize winning over being ethical.

Just think of all the other cases where honesty and ethics have been put on the back burner on the basis that you think your thing is more important; a lot of them legal.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

Maybe I'm from a different era, but I still think that the best default position is that anything somebody has listed about themselves online may be a work of fiction that we shouldn't be expected to take at face value in most contexts. If encryption is not immoral, encrypting your personal information is also not immoral, even if you also want plausible deniability. Privacy is not unethical. If a persona and pseudon…

> As a person who prizes the idea that what we say and do are more important than who we are

I am not sure I follow - what we say and do is who we are, how could it be otherwise?

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Satoshi is the only very high profile person I’m aware of to remain completely (pseud)onymous. Many others have tried and failed (though they often broke the law, so that might be the main distinguishing factor)

Law enforcement/intelligence services involvement raises the bar on maintaining anonymity a lot. They can access a lot of information that even an army of armchair sleuths probably can't.

Satoshi could be a government persona.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona. There are simple ethical alternatives, just not disclose that information, or just avoid that questions. Lying in this case is clearly unacceptable.…

I don't agree that your RL identity is a "minor" thing. It's right up among the most important things.

If and only if the anonymous individual is untrustworthy.

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

Is lying in-of-itself unethical? I'd be curious to probe a framework that thinks it is, while not holding that axiomatically. As someone who leans heavily into consequentialism, I can think of plenty of times lying can lead to a net positive for everyone. Likewise, there are harmful truths that should be suppressed. That suggests to me that lying is, in-of-itself, amoral. The effect of the lie (or the intent, if you…

I think lying is not ethical, but is it a lying to have an online persona that has a different name that one's legal name? I think not. One can have a legal name and a common law name that are different. As long as one does not claim one's online persona/name is one's legal name and one is not harming other people, I see no issue. If the intent of having the legal name and online name be different is to obscure one's real identitity because one is doing something illegal online, then that is clearly not ethical. If one is not harming anybody, then there should be no issue with having an online persona/name that has a different name than one's legal name and should be considered ethical. A tougher question might be whether one is doing something illegal and uses an online name that is not one's legal name. For example, say one is subject to seizures and cannabis greatly reduces the occurance from say 100 per month to less than 2 per month. Cannabis is still a schedule 1 drug and illegal at the national level. So, joining a dicussion on the net about seizures and cannabis with a persona whose name is different from one's legal name would be common. I also think this is ethical. One is not harming somebody else and is in fact making oneself more healthy (opposite of harm).

Re: Want anonymity? Make a persona not a mystery

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Ah yes... I'm Skimmington Harborough, Esq., I come from a family that made its fortune in philanthropy generations ago. This seems like a pretty straightforward mechanism for covert operatives, to generate a believable (and memorizable) cover that pulls attention away and maintains coherence. That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some so…

> That said, as someone who prizes ethical behavior, it's not possible to practice this and remain wholly honest without some sort of ethical loophole The primary "ethical loophole" here is that there is no viable ethical alternative. Something can not be immoral if it is the best of a series of bad options, and if you want to exsist in the world and protect your privacy, the only real option is to create a persona.…

By the way, and this is abnormal:

My name is Matt Chaboud. My username is my last name, and I'm easy to find. I try to behave online in a way that doesn't rely on anonymity (though I recognize that that carries some risk).

But I think your point is understood. However, a handle, to me, by virtue of convention, leaves little room for confusion as to whether it is a real or artificial/partial identity (generally).

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