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Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by easythrees »

loic-sharma wrote: post #108
davidkuennen wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all: Thank you for your outstanding work! And sorry to ask this here, but how have the recent layoffs affected the flutter team? We're using flutter as our main framework for our app and it's quite important. The layoffs have sparked some fears that flutter development might slow down.

Google's Flutter team was affected by layoffs and we lost some wonderful folks. However, the number of Googlers working directly on Flutter has grown substantially in the last year. Please keep in mind that Flutter is a community project. Google is one of Flutter's many sponsors, many of our contributors are from other companies.

Is Flutter open source?

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

loic-sharma wrote: post #43

Hello, I'm from the Flutter desktop team. Thank you for the excellent feedback, this is truly invaluable. Here are some updates from our side: 1. Custom context menus - We just added this feature in Flutter 3.7, which was released two weeks ago. Please give this a try and let us know what you think! 2. Multi-window - This is a high priority for the Flutter team, we have several engineers working on this project curre…

Hi! I was wondering about the coexistence of Flutter and Kotlin in Android development. Is there any good write-up to help devs to choose between them depending on the use case?

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

hobofan wrote: post #20

I most recently tried out Flutter about a month ago and "not there yet" feels like my overall experience. Sadly for a project of Flutter's age one has to wonder whether the "yet"-phase will ever end (just like some libraries are bound to always be buggy due to their architecture, while others feel smooth). In onboarding to the tooling, there are so many paper cuts that it's not really a "I'll try this out for fun" th…

We actively use Flutter and tend to agree with this sentiment, with the caveat that we believe it absolutely can get there (and I believe a lot more in Google's ability to stay relevant than Facebook's, even with ChatGPT in the mix).

That being said, they have a lot of work to do.

- I'm not a big fan of Dart's overall composition - "late" seems lazy and error-prone - Dependency on code generation for simple things like JSON serializers/deserializers - All the other issues people have mentioned in this thread.

Luckily my team is investing a lot in our developer tooling, so we can lint/codegen a lot of the stuff away, but it's certainly a sign of it not being there yet.

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by IceWreck »

kjksf wrote: post #81
amelius wrote: post #14

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Do Rust and Go have good (complete) Desktop UI libraries yet?

I don't know about Rust but Go doesn't. And probably never will. There are a bunch of projects but they are not very good or complete. The problem is that "good" requires massive amounts of work that is beyond the capacity of single person / small team of volunteers i.e. typical open source project. Which is why Flutter (and Electron) are the only reasonable technologies for desktop apps that I see today (and in the…

There is react native. Facebook pays for Android/iOS and Microsoft pays for Windows/macOS.

Sadly no maintained Linux desktop app support.

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by justeleblanc »

loic-sharma wrote: post #108
davidkuennen wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all: Thank you for your outstanding work! And sorry to ask this here, but how have the recent layoffs affected the flutter team? We're using flutter as our main framework for our app and it's quite important. The layoffs have sparked some fears that flutter development might slow down.

Google's Flutter team was affected by layoffs and we lost some wonderful folks. However, the number of Googlers working directly on Flutter has grown substantially in the last year. Please keep in mind that Flutter is a community project. Google is one of Flutter's many sponsors, many of our contributors are from other companies.

A community project? Flutter.dev literally says "Flutter is an open source framework by Google [...]" There is no list of sponsors on their webpage either, only a list of companies using Flutter. Google owns the logo and the trademark, controls the github repository, etc. Having contributors from other companies does not make the project into a community project.

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by [deleted] »

nileshtrivedi wrote: post #130
loic-sharma wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's Flutter team was affected by layoffs and we lost some wonderful folks. However, the number of Googlers working directly on Flutter has grown substantially in the last year. Please keep in mind that Flutter is a community project. Google is one of Flutter's many sponsors, many of our contributors are from other companies.

> Flutter is a community project A quick WHOIS search for flutter.dev and pub.dev domains tells me that this is not really the case.

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Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by atentaten »

preommr wrote: post #5

Flutter is going to be 5 years old soon. It's not even the leading solution for cross-platform development for mobile let alone desktop. It's great to be positive and supportive but realistically, if someone had to bet months of dev work on building something non-trivial - would they really choose flutter?

I'm betting the farm on Flutter. I'm building a relatively complicated app that's integrated with native C code on iOS and Android. Before I decided to go with Flutter/Dart, paradigms that I knew nothing about, I experimented with all of the major frameworks. React Native, Expo, Ionic, Capacitor, etc. I chose Flutter because it had the best performance for what I was doing around high-performance audio. Flutter is allowing me to continuously move forward and make real progress as a solo dev. I'm finding the DX better than React Native. I'm going to need to make a related tvOS app as well, but not sure how well Flutter can support it.

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by zmk5 »

easythrees wrote: post #141
loic-sharma wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's Flutter team was affected by layoffs and we lost some wonderful folks. However, the number of Googlers working directly on Flutter has grown substantially in the last year. Please keep in mind that Flutter is a community project. Google is one of Flutter's many sponsors, many of our contributors are from other companies.

Is Flutter open source?

Yeah it is under a BSD license:

https://github.com/flutter/flutter

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by JediPig »

I have 2 LOB on the desktop. Is Jank an issue? Only to those who have 100+ refresh rates.

Corporate wise , nah, its fine, Jank effects heavy animations. Even then the 3-4 encounters was fixed by some smart resource usage. We are trying the 3.7 solution. If not, then stick with the idea don't try to animate the animation.

Desktop ready? Corporations yes. Make the next unreal 5.x game with it? nope.

Re: Flutter desktop isn’t there yet

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Post by dmitriid »

easythrees wrote: post #141
loic-sharma wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's Flutter team was affected by layoffs and we lost some wonderful folks. However, the number of Googlers working directly on Flutter has grown substantially in the last year. Please keep in mind that Flutter is a community project. Google is one of Flutter's many sponsors, many of our contributors are from other companies.

Is Flutter open source?

It's open source the way Chrome is open source: the source is there, but the development is ~100% by Google
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