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Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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It's simple: Use the website. It will never stop working because people use it and you can automate and scrape it just fine. Kind of sucks that you have to go through the effort - but then there is no social media corporation that isn't toxic in some way to it's userbase.

Does not take much effort. Below is an example using curl. For reading Twitter feeds I just get the JSON and read the "full_text" objects. I have simple custom program I wrote that turns JSON of unlimited size into something like line-delimited JSON so I can use sed, grep and awk on it but HN readers probably prefer jq. For checking out t.co URLs I use HTTP/1.1 pipelining. Usage for reading is something like (but not…

What happens if/when they block that Bearer token?

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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- announced at 10pm - basically a week to decide what to do with your dev project - No information to help you make that decision This seems like more management by manchild. I strongly suspect that Musk realized his promises of cutting down bots etc. were failing and that they either couldn't or wouldn't develop abuse detection, so he's decided to solve the problem by making it cost money, with the (perhaps desired)…

> - announced at 10pm - basically a week to decide what to do with your dev project

I believe it's an intentional and strategic move to have every API client to start paying right away.

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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post #211

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Barely profitable in 2 years but bleeding money for the rest of its existence including the last 3 years…

Twitter's 2021 wasn't really that bad. They increased revenue about 37% year-over-year to $5 billion, at a loss of $220M. In the pumped-up investment environment of 2021, that kind of relatively small loss was an acceptable trade-off for such high growth. The revenue collapse of 2022 is clearly almost entirely due to the new ownership who did their best to destroy advertiser trust, first by spending six months dispar…

> at a loss of $220M.

Due to an $800M lawsuit settlement - without that, they'd have been on $580M profit. Which isn't terrible on $5B revenue.

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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post #115

- announced at 10pm - basically a week to decide what to do with your dev project - No information to help you make that decision This seems like more management by manchild. I strongly suspect that Musk realized his promises of cutting down bots etc. were failing and that they either couldn't or wouldn't develop abuse detection, so he's decided to solve the problem by making it cost money, with the (perhaps desired)…

Musks promises of cutting down on bots only mattered to him and to the degree he made a big deal about it. He could have declared victory whenever and been done with it. Who would have argued.

I think people would have argued with him. There are people that fawn on him one day and then complain that 'the algorithm has shadowbanned them again' the next, and he spends a surprising amount of time engaging with them. It's like some weird parody of an abusive relationship, with the world's erstwhile richest man and uber-CEO earnestly and repeatedly appeasing influencers like 'Catturd.'

To an extent I think this is political theater, as opposed to ineptitude, petulance, or poor financial decision-making. Twitter is an important piece of virtual territory because it's still the platform for breaking news and pretty much every media outlet publishes and promotes stories there, as well as most politicians, govt agencies and so on. Like it or not it is the most 'realtime' mass market platform.

That gives Twitter tremendous strategic importance, even though its social graph is smaller and more ephemeral than Facebook's. Size is not everything; reach matters too. That strategic importance makes it interesting to state and non-state actors, because capture of that territory is loosely equivalent to control of radio broadcasting capacity or printing presses in earlier eras. If you think of Twitter as a magically effective print and distribution store for pamphleteers with a huge secondary ecosystem around it, the shutdown of free API access is essentially a market takeover. Musk was spitballing yesterday and suggesting that from now on API access would cost $100/month and require ID to use.

(It's interesting to me that Google could have owned that space with their News product, although it has always been a one-way thing rather than socially driven. Their failure to own that space is a direct result of their aversion to user configurability and selection.)

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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> He's trying to make it profitable. Probably shouldn't have landed it with $1bn/year debt payments then, eh.

This is like PE takeovers that sink companies that were previously treading water. It took on a new, ongoing expense that it couldn't afford. The layoffs, the auction, not paying leases, and this, all seem to have some cost cutting angle to them. I don't think it's necessarily because Musk is cheap or sees lots of fat to cut; I think he's desperate to lose less of his original investment.

I still don't understand why this behavior -- leveraged buyouts -- should not be illegal. Congresspeople are tools, I guess.

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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post #39

- announced at 10pm - basically a week to decide what to do with your dev project - No information to help you make that decision This seems like more management by manchild. I strongly suspect that Musk realized his promises of cutting down bots etc. were failing and that they either couldn't or wouldn't develop abuse detection, so he's decided to solve the problem by making it cost money, with the (perhaps desired)…

But there is no need for Twitter to allow you to do that for free just because. From a pure business perspective it's either Twitter dies or Elon pays the bills.

Why not both?

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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Serious question though: If you're a business, is it really a huge deal to part with, idk, maybe $10-$20 a month for the API (idk what it will cost)? Talking in pure financial terms.

It’s actually much more expensive. See https://developer.twitter.com/en/pricing/search-30day Up to 500 requests PER MONTH: $149.00 Up to 1000: $289.00 Up to 2,500: $699.00 Up to 5,000: $1,299.00 Up to 10,000: $2,499.00

That's not the general API - that's the 30 day search API.

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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post #233

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An analysis of the Arab spring could also have been made with other sources. It's easy material, that's what Twitter is. Easy, but also misleading.

Twitter was a big driving force in that movement. Being able to track moment by moment activity and movements and how this shaped the Arab spring is not something you could achieve with other sources.

> Twitter was a big driving force in that movement. Being able to track moment by moment activity and movements and how this shaped the Arab spring is not something you could achieve with other sources.

Would anyone have been able to do that without paying? Years ago, someone told me you could get at most 1% of the "firehose" without paying, and if you paid you could get ~10% (however the free sample wasn't a subset of the paid sample, so they still grabbed both and de-duped).

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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post #199

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I'm not sure it's all that different, just maybe you see more of it if you interact with JP twitter? Like artists use integrations to share their art on twitter and elsewhere, and lots of various services/games/survey-things prefer or require you to use twitter login instead of making you sign up with them directly and they use the API on their backend for various things. But that happens outside Japan too. I just wo…

The Twitter sign in stuff will be huge but most of JP Twitter that I'm on doesn't seem to care much. Music probably cares more, but I follow a lot of personalities, voice actors, and artists and they're not that concerned. Edit: Seems the SSO stuff is unaffected.

Where did you read that Twitter SSO is unaffected? Do you have any source to reference for this?

Re: Starting February 9, we will no longer support free access to the Twitter API

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This will impact the "RSS to Twitter" function form https://ifttt.com right? I have a Twitter bot with a couple thousand followers using Ifttt free plan :/ Looking for an announcement from Ifttt...

If it's a stock $100/month as Elno seems to float in a tweet, IFTTT should be ok, probably, assuming they want to pay.

If it's something daft like $100/month for 1000 calls a day, we may well see integrations like IFTTT go down. Which will suck because I have A Lot of them right now.

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