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Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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It boggles my mind that neither macOS nor Windows has an official, comprehensive package manager. Sometimes the only way to get software is to download binaries from a Google search like it's 2003. On macOS, 90% of what you'd ever need is on Homebrew—this is more or less a solved problem—but it's still unofficial and Apple promotes their pointless App Store instead. In Windows land, the unofficial package managers ar…

What’s the difference between the App Store and a package manager? Mostly it comes down to trust: I can give you Mac .pkg files all sorts of ways but what you really want is a way to know that I am who I claim to be.

Package management has a boot-strapping problem for mainstream platforms: the same people telling the public that you should install Firefox using their ad bundle installer would instantly pivot to saying that you should install Firefox by adding their “store” to your system package repository list, and then SEO-ing their instructions as hard as they can.

Homebrew works because the audience is heavily technical and they don’t accept every app. Change either of those and quality would decline, and gaps in package coverage normalizes the behavior of installing things from outside of the store.

The real solution is probably something regulatory requiring Microsoft and Apple to run a basic store at cost, possibly allowing premium add-on services, or perhaps having a way to setup other stores with proof of liability insurance and auditing. The basic tier could be something like having a verification process for developers and a robust way to yank abusive apps.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Google was once considered trustworthy. It never was, but we thought it trustworthy. Where can you find a trustworthy source for software? Depends on your platform. Linux: Your package manager. In my case, apt. Mac: Apple has an app store of its own. Use that, or one of the BSD package management systems ported over. Ios: Apple app store is decently curated. Android: Google's app store is terribly curated. Give up no…

And governments are doing their best to break the app stores, destroying even the basic safely mechanisms such stores can offer. This should be taken as instructive, but is ignored by most.

Apple does not have to break the safety mechanisms in their store...

They just have to allow other stores.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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The malvertisement thing has become real bad. The other day I had a problem so I used chrome, where I unfortunately hadn't installed an add blocker yet. I searched for my bank (I know, I should have put the URL in directly, but I was being lazy since it was a new chrome install and I didn't have the url in my history yet). I hit the first link, logged in (my password manager would have saved me here, but again it was…

How did you log into the bank with valid credentials if it's on the wrong domain? My password manager won't fill it in on the wrong domain and I literally don't know my banking password.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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This makes me laugh - I've found myself appending "reddit" to my search queries more and more frequently when looking for product or service reviews. The regular google results are filled with affiliate-link-driven ads disguised as product reviews. If you want to really know what people think about products, you have to go digging these days.

>I've found myself appending "reddit" to my search queries So what you're saying is I should create dedicated subreddits about my products that only allow my multitude of bot accounts to post to it, but look like real conversations?

This is why a lot of younger people just search stuff on tiktok.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Typical ad blockers surely don’t filter out Google search results.

The search results are not the problem. The ads are. Ads are placed above search results, so users are more likely to be mislead by them. Installing an ad blocker removes the misleading ads, leaving only the legitimate search results.

Google is an ad platform the ads are the problems.

Installing an ad blocker does not solve the problem. At best it hides the problem.

The issue here is you're looking at this as a 'you' problem and not an 'everyone' problem. If you block ads that's not a problem. When everyone does it Google will change how the page renders in such a manner that your adblocker is worthless. And then you're back to it being a you problem. You cannot disentangle the search and the ads any more than you can disentangle being human and needing oxygen to survive.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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> I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days It feels truly absurd how many queries I need to append "reddit" to get something useful. The web has changed but Google isn't keeping up.

The problem is the spammers are already creating garbage content on Reddit as well. Fortunately, the moderators of the big subreddits will usually take care of it and remove the posts, but some of the smaller / niche ones still leave things up there.

IME the mods for the big subreddits are the worst, as they constantly power trip/enforce their opinions.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Google's search product has become a shadow of its former self. Every year it seems harder to find what I'm looking for. The top half of the first search result page is now (potentially malicious) ads, and what follows is likely SEO spam. I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days so I'm not served nearly useless results. It's a sad decline from 10+ years ago when I'd type a half-formed…

I used DDG which was slightly better; but for a couple of months, I've switched to kagi, and it's been a revelation. It's much better than both, it's google from 15 years ago. Drawback is that unlimited searches needs a subscription (10$/months). But I personally think it worth for the time and focus gains.

Have you done a side by side against Neeva? I've been on Neeva for long enough that it's not worth testing against competitors; it's very good, but I'm always interested in how well others compare.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Google was once considered trustworthy. It never was, but we thought it trustworthy. Where can you find a trustworthy source for software? Depends on your platform. Linux: Your package manager. In my case, apt. Mac: Apple has an app store of its own. Use that, or one of the BSD package management systems ported over. Ios: Apple app store is decently curated. Android: Google's app store is terribly curated. Give up no…

Winget is a new thing in Windows one could use though sometimes it has issues.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Every google search has to have either "+reddit" or "+stackoverflow" depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. And EVERY search for products needs to say "-pinterest".

Another example: music videos may require "-reaction -reacting". But it's the same or worse with DuckDuckGo.

For music, also adding -extended feels necessary. Along with -60fps for anything anime related.
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