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Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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> I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days It feels truly absurd how many queries I need to append "reddit" to get something useful. The web has changed but Google isn't keeping up.

YouTube search is even worse. They could do so much to filter the results. But they don't. They don't even give you a full page of results. The give you half a dozen and go "Meh. Search is hard. Here is some completely unrelated videos you might like."

to properly search youtube, you have to use google with "site:youtube.com"....

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Well, fortunately, I never click the "Ad" sponsored links and most of the time I don't see them anyways (uBlock). That doesn't help the other 90% of users online though.

Like many here, I have a sysadmin side gig for my aging dad: uBlock is essentially required as anti-virus software. While it's great that google figured out how to monetize search by inserting ads, it was a lot more ethical back when their major demographic was geeks who could tell the difference between an ad link and a genuine result. Now? Not so much.

The ads used to be on the right bar, and selected by their site's relevance to your search.

They were incredibly useful.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Google's search product has become a shadow of its former self. Every year it seems harder to find what I'm looking for. The top half of the first search result page is now (potentially malicious) ads, and what follows is likely SEO spam. I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days so I'm not served nearly useless results. It's a sad decline from 10+ years ago when I'd type a half-formed…

> I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days It feels truly absurd how many queries I need to append "reddit" to get something useful. The web has changed but Google isn't keeping up.

Why do they rank reddit so low be default? Does reddit not run stuff from their ad networks?

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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The malvertisement thing has become real bad. The other day I had a problem so I used chrome, where I unfortunately hadn't installed an add blocker yet. I searched for my bank (I know, I should have put the URL in directly, but I was being lazy since it was a new chrome install and I didn't have the url in my history yet). I hit the first link, logged in (my password manager would have saved me here, but again it was…

This is why the appeal-to-ethics argument against adblocking holds no weight with me. Yes, maybe I stole $0.0001 from the publisher by not looking at an advert. But I also didn't have my bank password stolen and my files cryptolockered. It's a small price to pay for security.

I don't know about "stole" but the value of those ads is more like $100/yr/user

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Google's search product has become a shadow of its former self. Every year it seems harder to find what I'm looking for. The top half of the first search result page is now (potentially malicious) ads, and what follows is likely SEO spam. I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days so I'm not served nearly useless results. It's a sad decline from 10+ years ago when I'd type a half-formed…

Altavista was better. It would certainly return more than the 5 SEO stained results pages that current search engines are repeating over and over again, pretending that they're bigger than they are.

Too bad that Yahoo! absorbed Altavista then made that site defunct since 2013.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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> It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair Google doesn't exactly care about this because they still get paid for the click. The malware companies are willing to bid extremely high for that single click (since they end up pwning your computer).

That'll work just fine until they trash their reputation with carp like this.

Then, no one will use them, and they will have a hard time getting it back; they may still exist, but only as a husk of their former stature.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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We're going to end up in a weird situation where we just download all this stuff through storefronts like Steam instead of open websites on Google, if they keep this up.

Doesn't help that Windows' own app store is a huge mess on Windows 10 - and presumably 11.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Google's search product has become a shadow of its former self. Every year it seems harder to find what I'm looking for. The top half of the first search result page is now (potentially malicious) ads, and what follows is likely SEO spam. I need to add "reddit" or "stackoverflow" to half my searches these days so I'm not served nearly useless results. It's a sad decline from 10+ years ago when I'd type a half-formed…

Unfortunately reddit is spammed with promoters

Still much easier to parse through reddit's comments and try to identify astroturfing than going through Google's results figuring out what's not SEO-spam or sponsored reviews...

It takes me much less effort to do the former than the latter.

Re: Until further notice, think twice before using Google to download software

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Took me a while to understand what "using Google to download software" means. Was there a hidden functionality I wasn't aware of? Turns out, what they mean is "don't use Google to search for software you wish to download".

> Took me a while to understand what "using Google to download software" means

Classic clickbait tactics. That was intentional, it made you click the link.

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