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US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by lachyg »

Zirro wrote: post #8
lachyg wrote: post #6

My comment doesn't directly relate to the issue in the article (how she's being put in jail early) but I'll go ahead anyway. Does anyone honestly think piracy should go unpunished? People that upload movies, music, games etc should be punished, as they are doing something illegal and and the people downloading should also be punished as they are getting the content without paying the creators. I'm curious if anyone h…

As long as it is illegal, it is technically correct for them to be punished. Some laws, however, are too absurd to remain. Piracy, for me is certainly not about not wanting to pay. It's about the feeling that the money I pay mostly doesn't go to creators, but to the companies in-between who doesn't deserve it. I don't want to support such an industry. It also the fact that I want to push for legal alternatives which…

I sort of agree with you, and I sort of don't. The reason for me is not because I don't feel the money goes to the creators (because I think the creators of movies and musical pieces are very well compensated), it's because here in Australia there is often not a very good way to acquire content quickly and easily (no Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc).

When I was in the U.K. I was a subscriber of Spotify and I didn't once pirate a song, as it was easily available in high quality.

Yet I still think piracy should be illegal, it has to be! Why should it be legal in 20 years? Shouldn't we just have a way to 'press a link and have a 1080p DRM free film downloaded in minutes' instead of having to resort to an illegal method?

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by lachyg »

Tichy wrote: post #13
lachyg wrote: post #6

My comment doesn't directly relate to the issue in the article (how she's being put in jail early) but I'll go ahead anyway. Does anyone honestly think piracy should go unpunished? People that upload movies, music, games etc should be punished, as they are doing something illegal and and the people downloading should also be punished as they are getting the content without paying the creators. I'm curious if anyone h…

People might not agree with every law in their country.

And?

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by lachyg »

dchest wrote: post #16
lachyg wrote: post #6

My comment doesn't directly relate to the issue in the article (how she's being put in jail early) but I'll go ahead anyway. Does anyone honestly think piracy should go unpunished? People that upload movies, music, games etc should be punished, as they are doing something illegal and and the people downloading should also be punished as they are getting the content without paying the creators. I'm curious if anyone h…

Regarding the "illegal downloading" point, simple question: how do you recognize when the music, movie, photograph, or text that you downloaded (or viewed in browser -- there's no technical difference) has been "properly" licensed?

What do you mean? I think most people know it's illegal when they go to download (or view) a movie on the 'net.

Obviously photographs and text is a lot harder, but movies are pretty clear due to the cost that goes into production.

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by ajuc »

waltersilva wrote: post #11

You're all getting insane on these copyright c*ap. Soon you will be killing people for/against this anti-copyright cause. As IP is not a human right, non-IP is also not a human right.

Free speech is a human right, and people were already killed in the conflicts about it.

BTW - if IP is not a human right, then it's reasonable that people are unnverved by imposing it on them.

Look at it that way - "Do not eat pigs" is also not a human right, and eating pigs is not a human right. It's neutral. Yet some religions demand that you respect this law. All is OK.

But when this law is made universal, and people of other faiths go to jail because of eating pigs it starts to be scary.

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by nicki_easy »

Xlythe wrote: post #15
nextparadigms wrote: post #3

"According to the authorities, the Facebook updates written by the NinjaVideo founder pose a danger to the community." That's so absurd. It's like the 1st Amendment doesn't even exist anymore, or the authorities simply don't care it exists. This is why it's so important to stop the US Government from banning "Twitter propaganda speech" from Middle East, too. If they succeed with that, the next action is doing the sam…

Convicts sentenced lose a fraction of their rights, including the right to free speech. "Under Turner, prisoner communication may be monitored and regulated, and the content of the communication (i.e., the legal advice) makes no difference in the assessment of the legality of the regulation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaw_v._Murphy

Is that germane? "[A] decision of the United States Supreme Court rejecting the First Amendment right of prisoners to provide legal assistance to other prisoners."

She was sentenced but not yet a prisoner, etc.

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by dchest »

lachyg wrote: post #23
dchest wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the "illegal downloading" point, simple question: how do you recognize when the music, movie, photograph, or text that you downloaded (or viewed in browser -- there's no technical difference) has been "properly" licensed?

What do you mean? I think most people know it's illegal when they go to download (or view) a movie on the 'net. Obviously photographs and text is a lot harder, but movies are pretty clear due to the cost that goes into production.

I think most people know it's illegal when they go to download (or view) a movie on the 'net.

What about hulu.com? Should we have a list of "approved" websites somewhere? Also, how do you know that hulu has proper licenses for their videos?

There was a recent case when Amazon licensed (remember, that we're dealing with licensing in case of copyright laws, not selling) "1984" for Kindles for which they didn't have the proper license. Why haven't those people (who downloaded the book into their Kindles) been prosecuted? It would be easy to do, since Amazon had the list of customers. Or should we apply laws selectively?

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by Zirro »

lachyg wrote: post #21
Zirro wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as it is illegal, it is technically correct for them to be punished. Some laws, however, are too absurd to remain. Piracy, for me is certainly not about not wanting to pay. It's about the feeling that the money I pay mostly doesn't go to creators, but to the companies in-between who doesn't deserve it. I don't want to support such an industry. It also the fact that I want to push for legal alternatives which…

I sort of agree with you, and I sort of don't. The reason for me is not because I don't feel the money goes to the creators (because I think the creators of movies and musical pieces are very well compensated), it's because here in Australia there is often not a very good way to acquire content quickly and easily (no Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc). When I was in the U.K. I was a subscriber of Spotify and I didn't once…

I used to have a Spotify Premium account and just like you, I never pirated a song. This lasted until I started listening exclusively to music which artists choose to distribute for free.

Spotify is exactly what I mean by good legal alternative, except for that I still don't believe the artists are compensated very well. If there are enough reasonably priced legal alternatives available everywhere, piracy will shrink in importance. I say, if there's a last 2 or 3 percent of the population who don't feel like paying for themselves - let them. It's better than this hunt for file-sharers that's been launched by media-companies.

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by toyg »

lachyg wrote: post #6

My comment doesn't directly relate to the issue in the article (how she's being put in jail early) but I'll go ahead anyway. Does anyone honestly think piracy should go unpunished? People that upload movies, music, games etc should be punished, as they are doing something illegal and and the people downloading should also be punished as they are getting the content without paying the creators. I'm curious if anyone h…

I'll bite: do you honestly think people should be sent to prison for copyright offences? Monetary damages, yes; bankruptcy, maybe (if the infringement was on mass-scale and resulted in direct profit for the guilty, say, above 1000$); but prison?

Prison is not about punishment, in a civil society; it's about isolating individuals with the potential to irreparably harm their community. Unless the copyright holders go bankrupt as a direct, proven result of infringers' actions, there is simply no irreparable harm done: the rightsholder still owns the IP and is free to sell it.

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by noonespecial »

The interesting thing about Ninja Video is that it was exactly like the netfix-itunes-amazon of the future would do best to look like. The categorization, notes, and search were all fantastic and a huge community of people enthusiastic about the content organically grew around it. All it needed was a few dollars a month subscription fee and it would have dominated the market.

The lost opportunity has become a sardonic cliche.

Re: US Authorities Silence NinjaVideo Founder, Rush Her to Prison

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Post by oelewapperke »

keeran wrote: post #5

First they came for the torrent site admins...

Cute, but it's not like it is somehow a surprise that this is illegal.

They come for thieves, fraudsters, ... too. Until the law changes, that's exactly what the government should do.

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