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Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

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Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#161

Around 12:00 UTC today ban has been lifted for my account thanks to @jgrahamc - thanks!

So HN to the rescue again. It's unfortunate (although the outcome is great for you!) that you have to go through the social media amplifier first.

On the other hand, any company should consider as soon as financially possible to get paid support and a TAM (technical account manager) from their main infrastructure/service provider… most things can be managed and escalated through such people.

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#162
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What even is the restriction on returning JSON? One of the examples is explicitly how to return JSON https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/examples/return-js... From the terms > 2.8 Limitation on Serving Non-HTML Content > The Services are offered primarily as a platform to cache and serve web pages and websites. Unless explicitly included as part of a Paid Service purchased by you, you agree to use the Services…

Seems like my account was restricted due to https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/supplemental-terms/#cloudfl ... 2.Cloudflare may, with or without notice to you and without liability of any kind, temporarily limit your storage and/or the number of requests you can make or receive using the Developer Platform for any reason (in its sole reasonable discretion), including without limitation, if processing such requests woul…

I think what you're showing here is the safety net that protects them if they make some missteps trying to execute what's covered by other policies. But it seems like the heart of your cancellation is the interpretation of 2.8, i.e. them deciding (probably in an automated way) that the stuff you were serving via API (significant volumes of trading data, I'd gather) does not qualify as web content.

It's definitely an unfriendly combo to have (a) a really ambiguous policy like 2.8 and (b) enforcing via a no-warning cutoff -- even if the two policies have good justifications individually. But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that part (b) is part of the sales strategy. (Part (a) obviously is meant to incentivize a paid account for applications like yours.)

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#163
post #81

4 Billion requests per month involving 1 Petabyte of traffic doesn't seem like a "small SAAS", at least packet-wise. If its small revenue-wise, addressing that is a business concern as important as having your platform throttled for using the cheapo economy edition tier of whatever you've signed up for with Cloudflare. Did Cloudflare issue any formal communication with you warning about usage and how it violates cont…

So them just banning the customers service with no explanation until they raise a stink here is okay?

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#164

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and I really appreciate it, not trying to blame anyone, I created HN post as desperate attempt to have my service online again, hope you understand.

Dude, I'm not mad at you for reporting it. I'm working internally to figure out why your site was throttled and take appropriate action.

he's constantly thankful for ur help despite 12 hours downtime

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#165

Literally just sent an email to my devops guys to move off cloudflare asap. This cavalier lack of respect is a diservice and insult to all the people who rely on my product for their livelihood.

You’re changing your arch because you saw a one-sided completely unverified post on HN? At this point @jgrahamc has the worst of it - people show up here time after time hoping they can make enough of a stink to get him involved.

If your arch has a single point of a failure its probably wise to remove it

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#166

Cloudflare has non-transparent pricing, unlike AWS, which will charge you for every thing with detailed usage tracking. When ever there is non-transparent pricing, it's scary to try and use an infrastructure related service. The sales teams can't go around saying that you are not a profitable customer, and they can't argue with the marketing team to be more honest about pricing on the pricing page. So, end result, le…

This is the big issue. There is always tension in these “free” setups.

I get more worried when the giveaways / marketing is VC funded - they often end at some point or pressure inside to dial back etc.

“We have free egress to Oceania!” - no, you don’t. You are subsidizing that.

Given what aws charges and how they charge for almost everything- no reason to be any pressure to move me to another plan. AWS free tiers are relatively minuscule

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#167

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I'm always unsure how to read this. One one hand it is nice that there is someone in the company willing to do work which is in the interest of the customer (of sorts). But on the other hand it shows the company is willing to let quality, support, customer care, service and everything else decline but when it comes to public image is prepared to do everything within their power, even (yuck) their job in order for dam…

It doesn't make the problem go away by itself, but I would rather have jgrahamc helping people than not.

People like jgrahamc are the people who care and are embarrassed their company provides such unreliable service. I just wish the people in charge of these companies felt the same responsibility and embarrassment.

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#169
OP, you have garnered a lot of sympathy by the HN community which I believe in part contributed to your problem being resolved. I think it would be fair to provide more info about what the issue was in the end. It's not OK to be like "HN I had a bad experience with Company X" and then be like "k, thx @jgrahamc, bye" when your complaint gets resolved due to the attention it received.

There are so many questions this leaves unanswered:

- Was this a one-off error in Cloudflare's processes? (These things happen on a big enough scale.)

- Were you violating a specific clause of Cloudflare's T&C? How clear was the clause? What did you do to fix this?

- Was the issue that Cloudflare estimated that you're not paying enough given the bandwidth you're consuming? Did you end up signing up for the Enterprise plan?

Transparency would benefit both Cloudflare (in not making people unnecessarily apprehensive about becoming/remaining a customer) and you (in demonstrating that you're handling this issue in a professional and responsible manner).

Re: Small SaaS banned by Cloudflare after 4 years of being paying customer

#170
post #74

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Friendly advice, stop digging and step away from this thread/talk to your PR team. You're not helping yourself or Cloudflare by responding in this way.

You're right. I'm taking all this too personally.

It's pretty amazing to me that even after seeing a response from a real human being, people continue to dog pile.

To those continuing to foam at the mouth: what would be the ideal outcome? Cloudflare closing up shop entirely after this? The whole "this shouldn't have happened in the first place" mentality is completely unproductive.

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