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YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by simiones »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #51
watwut wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why YT is OK even at small dosages, given how it has already radicalized people and impacted the global political order on the basis of fake news? Why isn’t the concern far more sweeping? That concern comes in during puberty and above, not when the kids are small. When they are 16-23, not when they are 1-9 years old. You have significantly less control at that time and crucially, should be transitioning to loosing…

Can you explain how you are sure that the concern is limited to the age range that you specified? You make it sound like there’s just one way that kids can grow. It’s completely possible for kids to gain access to bad internet stuff at a far younger age and they could carry it with them for a long time.

You think 3-6 yo kids can get radicalized by YT fake news?

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by alxmng »

passwordoops wrote: post #81
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #59

As a parent, screen time vs no screen time is a fine line that we have to continually renegotiate. Screens can be great, there is so much good information out there that can enrich our lives. I wouldn't go the "no screens ever" route because that's just being a luddite, robbing them of the change to experience, and acquire expertise in, the digital world that they will be interacting with for the rest of their lives.…

>Curating content and setting limits on screen time is your job as a parent in this era. This, 100%! We're at the point where the tablet is for podcasts, and we can watch instructional videos with a specific topic in mind (e.g. tips on drawing anime characters). And that's it. It's been a month and we saw a noticeable change literally overnight in quality and amount of sleep, quality of conversation, and the child is…

What age are you talking about?

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by watwut »

Chris2048 wrote: post #52
phillc73 wrote: post #16

I guess a lot of people must be using YouTube in a different way to how we do. We do allow our 8-year-old to sometimes watch YouTube, after the homework is finished or if sick. What does he watch? Things like.... * 40-50 year old Russian language cartoons, to help with his language learning. * Quite a few British shows like Edwardian Farm[1], Victorian Farm[2] and Wartime Farm. Pretty educational stuff. * Documentari…

Your 8-year old ski races on weekends?

Winter sports are like any other - kids join local clubs at early age and compete within their age category. No different then ballet, dancing, soccer, American football, basketball.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by alxmng »

robertlagrant wrote: post #100

I physically removed our only television from the lounge to behind some furniture because our eldest (who was 6) was behaving more and more like a drug addict: alternating wheedling, begging, pleading, shouting, to get television. Once I did that, and he saw it really wasn't an option, he changed quite quickly - after around 3 months - and we have it back now, although there's no screen time except weekends (or if so…

But do you watch YouTube or use screens around him? That's my problem with the advice to limit screen time. Why should I be telling my child not to do something that everyone around him is doing?

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by thrown_43 »

watwut wrote: post #23

If I have to sum up everything about kid related entertainment I have read on here, it would be: - Games of the kind we have played or we like to play now are good. - The new markets kind of games are totally worst thing ever and steal money. - Arcades and collectible card games we used to spend all our money into were totally different thing. - The kiddy shows we grew up with were best thing ever. Nothing beats them…

You missed: Youtube is teaching your kids white nationalism.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by ElCapitanMarkla »

It really annoys me that there isn't an option to block certain youtube channels. There is loads of fantastic content on youtube, and the kids love it. But when you set them up with something and come back and crap like this with 278M views is playing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4xFWIKVT6s They turn into zombies watching that crap.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by blitzar »

thih9 wrote: post #39
theshrike79 wrote: post #3

Nope, nope nope. My kid is 10 and still doesn't know a single Youtuber by name and doesn't really watch Youtube. We did try Youtube Kids at one point, but it was just 99% toy ads masquerading as authentic content. Netflix has a pretty good age limiter and well produced TV-shows. Disney+ has Bluey and a ton of other content. AppleTV+ has a few good ones too, but not as much as the two big ones. Paying the few coins fo…

> We did try Youtube Kids at one point, but it was just 99% toy ads masquerading as authentic content. To be fair, this description fits a lot of regular (non-kids) platforms too.

Most "content" is made by "influencers" and thats kinda the point

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by simiones »

kefka_p wrote: post #64

I was raised on tech. A third generation computer user, started writing software at seven under my father’s guidance. A Luddite I am not, but this doesn’t bode well for our future. YouTube is basically an indoctrination engine for white nationalism. It’s more or less what the right claims the American higher education system is for the left, only there’s no conspiracy fantasy to it. https://www.theregister.com/2022/1…

The actual findings, as reported in the very link you post:

> "We found that YouTube's recommendation algorithm does not lead the vast majority of users down extremist rabbit holes, although it does push users into increasingly narrow ideological ranges of content in what we might call evidence of a (very) mild ideological echo chamber," the academics disclosed in a report for the Brookings Institution.

> "We also find that, on average, the YouTube recommendation algorithm pulls users slightly to the right of the political spectrum, which we believe is a novel finding."

So, about as close to being an "indoctrination engine for white nationalism" as a librarian that recommends books you like. And I am saying this as someone who reads Jacobin and watches any interview with Chomsky I can find.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by mchaver »

Chris2048 wrote: post #52
phillc73 wrote: post #16

I guess a lot of people must be using YouTube in a different way to how we do. We do allow our 8-year-old to sometimes watch YouTube, after the homework is finished or if sick. What does he watch? Things like.... * 40-50 year old Russian language cartoons, to help with his language learning. * Quite a few British shows like Edwardian Farm[1], Victorian Farm[2] and Wartime Farm. Pretty educational stuff. * Documentari…

Your 8-year old ski races on weekends?

It's quite common in Europe for communities that live near the ski areas or have convenient public transport to them. You see lots of kids racing in the Pyrenees. Ski areas here often offer discounted season passes for kids and local residents. It's a relatively accessible sport if you live near by. If you don't then it can be expensive (lodging, ski passes and equipment). Japan is similar. It has a large number of ski resorts and they often have low cost lodging nearby. Kids from the local communities learn to ski young.
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