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YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by passwordoops »

HlessClaudesman wrote: post #59

As a parent, screen time vs no screen time is a fine line that we have to continually renegotiate. Screens can be great, there is so much good information out there that can enrich our lives. I wouldn't go the "no screens ever" route because that's just being a luddite, robbing them of the change to experience, and acquire expertise in, the digital world that they will be interacting with for the rest of their lives.…

>Curating content and setting limits on screen time is your job as a parent in this era.

This, 100%! We're at the point where the tablet is for podcasts, and we can watch instructional videos with a specific topic in mind (e.g. tips on drawing anime characters). And that's it. It's been a month and we saw a noticeable change literally overnight in quality and amount of sleep, quality of conversation, and the child is generally happier

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by rTX5CMRXIfFG »

drunkpotato wrote: post #74
rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speculative, but I think that draconian measures only backfire when the parent-child relationship isn’t trusting and loving in the first place, i.e. if you’ve given your kids reasons to hate your parenting beyond your restrictions on their screen time. When I was a kid I had friends who were pretty strict about their internet access, but they did not mind because they have a good relationship with their parents anywa…

100% of strict parents would say they have a good relationship with their kids (or within a rounding error). If you asked adult children of strict parents if that was true, you would get fewer than 100% positive responses. People aren’t always reliable judges of their own behavior and relationships.

My comment was misleading—I didn’t ask the parents. I asked the then-kids, who are my peers. And looking back, there really were signs of healthy parenting, and my peers grew up to be happy, well-adjusted individuals who liked the idea of family, and they genuinely mourned when they lost a parent.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by fragmede »

i67vw3 wrote: post #55

Two of my sisters have in total 3 kids (4 to 6 years old) and all three of them need to watch youtube videos while eating. Just few days back, my sister had a 'gathering' to announce her 2nd child (making it total 4 kids combined) and the 3rd kid needed to watch few youtube videos (usually they are of other kids playing or doing some stuff) to eat his dinner, which I found quite odd. This thing is not only related to…

The "solution" is to not expose them to YouTube in the first place. Worked so far, for several families I know.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by midoridensha »

sgt wrote: post #32
alexashka wrote: post #19

'Smart'-phones have become defacto pacifiers for teenagers and adults alike. Children are merely imitating adult behaviour. If you don't want your kids pacified their entire lives, make sure you're not pacified yourself first.

And it continues into adulthood. Millions of adults being swallowed up in YouTube and streaming services for hours every day. Why bother to go outside? That can't be good either.

They shouldn't be going outside, at least while they're kids: they can get their parents arrested!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34625907

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by e1g »

i67vw3 wrote: post #55

Two of my sisters have in total 3 kids (4 to 6 years old) and all three of them need to watch youtube videos while eating. Just few days back, my sister had a 'gathering' to announce her 2nd child (making it total 4 kids combined) and the 3rd kid needed to watch few youtube videos (usually they are of other kids playing or doing some stuff) to eat his dinner, which I found quite odd. This thing is not only related to…

COVID absolutely warped kids’ brains in ways we will not understand for decades, but also kids seem to have a hardwired affinity for other kids. For example, I have a two year old who has never seen Youtube/Netflix/TV and has a revolving door of playmates. She loves “reading” books with us, and her non-negotiable toddler “preference” is always for books with photos of other kids. Not animals or cartoons or fun drawings etc. Occasionally we show her photos on our phones and she swipes fast until she finds photos of babies/kids.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by swimf »

crdrost wrote: post #57
phillc73 wrote: post #16

I guess a lot of people must be using YouTube in a different way to how we do. We do allow our 8-year-old to sometimes watch YouTube, after the homework is finished or if sick. What does he watch? Things like.... * 40-50 year old Russian language cartoons, to help with his language learning. * Quite a few British shows like Edwardian Farm[1], Victorian Farm[2] and Wartime Farm. Pretty educational stuff. * Documentari…

So it's great as an educational tool—my daughter is not yet two and surprised both me and my wife this way: when we whipped out a pack of flashcards we had never shown her, she already knew almost all of the shapes and most of the animals, can do the alphabet in random-access order, and was even about 50/50 on what the obverse sides of the alphabet cards depicted, only failing to associate the starting sound of the w…

They're able to target not just kids, but they know the personalities of so many people, i doubt it's very difficult for them to determine which groups are most susceptible... E.g. Addicts, gamblers, religious nuts, students, or anyone with compulsive behavior (think of anyone who talk to much or rant on forums, like Reddit, community help services, or YouTube comments.)

Watch a single video having to do with games and your labled for life. This kinda data might not be being sold but it's definitely being used to further their hold. Google can't afford to lose users. They're at the top of their game. Only place left to go is down and they'll do it themselves if not for the death grip default services or no services MO they force on people in America. Can't even setup a cell phone without having 5 to 7 hidden carrier service providers checking to see what apps u use and who you share content with, what form of communication u use and how often? So that if you start using it, especially if it's to do business or it's professional, they want to know so they can SELL it to you. Or at the very least hit u with the world wide royalty free persistent electronic License that waives your present and future human rights for Christ sake. It's bad here . Many aren't paying attention or in the mind set that nothing can be done and all is hopeless. That's how my parents act about it anyway.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by a4a4a4a4 »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #51
watwut wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why YT is OK even at small dosages, given how it has already radicalized people and impacted the global political order on the basis of fake news? Why isn’t the concern far more sweeping? That concern comes in during puberty and above, not when the kids are small. When they are 16-23, not when they are 1-9 years old. You have significantly less control at that time and crucially, should be transitioning to loosing…

Can you explain how you are sure that the concern is limited to the age range that you specified? You make it sound like there’s just one way that kids can grow. It’s completely possible for kids to gain access to bad internet stuff at a far younger age and they could carry it with them for a long time.

You will never be _sure_ that it's limited to that age range, because what's appropriate for a given age is pretty subjective. I don't know why people are obsessed with making perfectly isolated bubbles for kids, it's just not possible.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by watwut »

ciropantera wrote: post #21

How are these channels monetized? I heard a while back that YouTube kids had no ads or heavily restricted them. Did something change there?

Everyone I have known who tried YouTube kids eventually ended up with normal YouTube. Maybe it is sort of acceptable for English speaking families, but outside of that, shows that parents wanted to show the kids or were ok with were not available. And shows that were available were meh anyway.

It came across to me as something that exists so that google can point out that it exists.

Re: YouTube has become the world's nanny

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Post by swimf »

kasperni wrote: post #49

For people cooking alone with a kid. How do you entertain them while cooking without screentime? Kid is 16 months. Too old to lie still, and too young to help out in any capacity without getting injured. Edit: Letting them play with utensils gives me about 2-3 minutes.

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